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Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma?

by "KalElFan" <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 10, 2008 at 12:48 AM

"Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> KalElFan wrote:

[snippage]

>> Let's hypothesize this TV series is actually the FIRST mission back
>> from Future John Connor's point of view.  He's holding his own and
>> perhaps starting to win the post-Judgment Day war, but time travel
>> technology is coming online as he of course knew it would.  Having
>> prepared for that day, he's mapped out his step- by-step strategy
>> to counter the machine efforts to win via a time war.
>>
>> At that point, he's winning because at the end of T3 he started the
>> whole resistance movement from that bunker, and gradually turned the
>> tide.  He knows he must send back Reese at some point, and the good
>> Arnie at two points (T2 and T3), to counter the three terminators.
>
> Nitpick: John Connor did not sent the T3 protector Arnie back.  His wife
> did after it had killed the post-Judgment Day John Connor.
>
> (There's also the matter of Skynet sending that particular model of
> Terminator after John because it knew that another one of the same
series
> had been his childhood protector (T2) and counted on John's
sentimentality
> to let it get close enough.)

It's an excellent point that I was going to start addressing like this...

The nature of this story generally is that most accounts of the future
are via the machine protectors or Reese.  It may be that some of their
accounts were specifically intended not to convey the whole truth, but
for other purposes including motivating Young John Connor.  Even if
100% true, the info about his own death would certainly have increased
the chances of Future John Connor avoiding that fate.  In fact add
avoiding that fate to his possible motivation for initiating the skip-over
of the T3 timeline.

Then I realized the skip-over, unless I've missed something else, means
the nitpick is moot.  John's relation****p with his wife may not be the
same in the altered future, in fact it almost certainly isn't, because the
events of T3 never played out.  My analysis above should exclude
John even having to send the T3 protector back.  After this T3a
change, John's revised history does not include the female terminator
from T3.

Will he still be killed by the reprogrammed Arnie version?  To the
extent this T3a timeline has improved his position and perhaps even
avoided Judgment Day by the time it plays out, it's less likely I think.
In fact...

The T4 movie could show us a hybrid post-Judgment Day future
of sorts, that crosses over a bit with this TV series.  The Evil Arnie
attempt to kill John fails because the Cameron protector stops it,
just before she's sent back by John to start this new T3a timeline.

It'd be a great way to preserve T3 as a very im****tant element of
the whole story.  The warning it sent Future John could even have
been the impetus for him creating Cameron as a kind of bodyguard
(yowzah :-)), and then his plan to use her to save Sarah and avoid
Judgment Day altogether took shape.

Again unless I've missed something else, John's romantic future is now
also open. Perhaps Cameron is based on a human female John has yet
to meet, but will.  Maybe the human Cameron ends up as his wife in
the revised timeline.  More story fodder for the TV series. :-)

If nothing else, this TV series has way more potential for greatness
than I thought it would.  The story possibilities run a lot deeper than
I thought they did before thinking about them in the course of this
thread, and they needn't conflict with the T4 movie at all.  The two
could enhance each other, including some crossover tie-ins.
 




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Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-07 12:34:48 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
William George Ferguson &  2008-02-07 12:02:58 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-07 15:57:00 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-08 02:48:36 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-08 05:21:10 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-09 02:03:09 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-09 01:31:30 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Warchild <bob@[EMAIL P  2008-02-08 22:15:21 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-09 16:58:15 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Warchild <bob@[EMAIL P  2008-02-09 13:20:55 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-10 03:14:39 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-09 10:36:21 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-09 19:43:32 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Warchild <bob@[EMAIL P  2008-02-09 13:18:22 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-09 17:39:18 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-09 18:35:36 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-10 00:48:44 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Default User"   2008-02-07 20:57:54 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-07 16:36:58 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-08 00:14:06 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-08 07:25:23 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-08 04:12:15 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-08 15:40:30 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-08 17:46:21 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Joetheone" <  2008-02-08 23:57:57 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-08 22:21:55 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-07 23:37:49 

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