On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:40:00 -0500, "KalElFan"
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>"Arthur Lipscomb" <arthur@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:10:18 -0500, "KalElFan"
>>> <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:21:52 -0500, "KalElFan"
>>>>> <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:40:27 -0500, "KalElFan"
>>>>>>> <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But a time travel story only a couple of decades old, where the
first
>>>>>>>>TV series is asking you to ignore the iconic 1st and the massively
>>>>>>>>successful 2nd movie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the same way the 2nd movie ignored the first?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hardly. The 2nd movie got huge mileage out of the switch -- the
>>>>>>second Arnie version being a protector rather than a Terminator.
>>>>>>It did nothing to fundamentally alter the first movie's premise.
>>>>>>John Connor was still fathered by the protector from the first
>>>>>>movie.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the future that produced that protector? Not there.
>>>>
>>>>It's not necessary that the exact future that produced that protector
>>>>be there.
>
>[snippage of my challenge for proof, which David Johnston could
>not produce]
>
>>> The premise of the first move was that history can't be changed and
>>> all events are predestined. The premise of the second movie was that
>>> things aren't predestined and history can be changed. The premise of
>>> the third move is that history can be changed but it don't matter a
>>> lick.
>>
>> Wasn't the "no fate" line introduced in the first movie? If history
could
>> not be changed there would be no point in sending back the first
>> terminator or Reese to stop it.
>
>And David's only response was that the machines thought they had no
>choice but to try. Obviously even they didn't buy into the "premise"
Which "they" are you talking about? The machines obviously had
nothing to lose by testing predestination. Therefore they had no
choice except to vainly try to escape fate just as John had not choice
but to play his predetermined part.
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