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(Anim8rFSK) writes:
| In article <1345363@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dan Lanciani) wrote:
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| > In article
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| > ANIM8Rfsk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Anim8rFSK) writes:
| > | In article <1345362@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| > | ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dan Lanciani) wrote:
| > |
| > | > "Martin" <nonhere@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
| > | > news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > | >
| > | > | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able
to
| > | > | enter
| > | > | an ident code.
| > | >
| > | > Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock
down.
| > | >
| > | > | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
| > | > | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard
Midway
| > | > | and
| > | > | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got
an
| > | > | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth
Stargate.
| > | >
| > | > Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for
an
| > | > audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model
where
| > | > each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole
before
| > | > it can connect to the next hop.
| > |
| > | Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
| > | assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being stuck
in
| > | a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being
dumped
| > | out into space).
| >
| > Well, I guess he should know since he wrote the macros. Maybe the
algorithm
| > is that if you can't continue you get re-integrated and dumped. Good
if you
| > are at the planet gate, bad everywhere else. Rodney would just be
following
| > the Ancient tradition of building death traps.
|
| seems like it.
|
| And he did know that the
| > "glitch" was at the planet-based gate. Maybe he had to know that. He
said
| > they couldn't contact Midway and the only way they could detect that
| > condition
| > (other than waiting for a call back) is at the first hop. With only
one worm
| > hole open at a time there is no back-channel for status re****ts.
|
| But he's getting one somehow anyway. He knew when and where the glitch
| occured, and assumed they were safe just because the timing was such
| that they should have been past the planetary gate. So something is
| sending information back at him.
He knew that he couldn't connect even to the first gate in the bridge,
so the feedback was automatic. But had there been a glitch further
along could he have known? Of course, much as I suggested they use
the ZPM to connect to Midway directly they should be able to dial each
gate along the bridge to see if it is ok. And if it isn't set up to
do that it should be. They might also want to weld permanent covers
on all the intermediate gates to prevent them being used conventionally.
(I'm sure Rodney thinks the gates can't be hacked remotely, but we all
know how those things go.)
| If they
| > can't
| > persuade a gate to sup****t incoming and outgoing worm holes at the
same time
| > they might want to consider having a macro to make every other gate
| > multi-dial
| > its two neighbors. At least that way they could have a cut-through
bridge
| > for
| > radio.
| >
| > | > When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a
normal
| > | > connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same
worm
| > | > hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been
buffered
| > | > in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an
appropriate
| > | > rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow
the
| > | > iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in
this
| > | > configuration to preserve the relative timing.)
| > | >
| > | > There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible
confirmation
| > | > unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it
obviously
| > | > wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that you
| > | > can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that,
e.g.,
| > | > there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly
risky
| > | > procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have at
least
| > | > one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk before
sending
| > | > anyone through. At the same time that would increase the
confidence
| > | > before opening the iris.
| > |
| > | Yep. I wondered why they weren't surprised to hear from Midway a
full
| > | 24 hours before Teal'c was scheduled to return. Obviously there
weren't
| > | any other travellers on the station* and if everybody has to go
through
| > | the quarantine, then this is an unscheduled activation.
| >
| > I suppose in theory it could have been one of the residents.
|
| I don't see how.
You know, like, somebody needs an emergency appendectomy. But every
unscheduled activation should still by definition be a message only.
| They'd have to be under the same quarantine as
| everybody that comes in, every time.
I don't think they have thought this through. Actually, I think the
main problem is that they don't quite know what threats they are trying
to guard against at Midway. Hence they are doing a poor job guarding
against anything.
| Still they
| > should have called with a message (only) first. I mean, the whole
purpose
| > of the bridge is to make calls power-cheap, so they could afford a few
| > extras.
| >
| > | *world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers
just
| > | roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?
| >
| > They die?
|
| Yeah. And somebody pushes the self destruct on the station.
|
| Oh, by the way, Midway can not only vent the air into space, they have
| enough extra to refill the place in a hurry too?
Well, they did one thing right. If I were hanging out between galaxies
I'd want as much spare air on hand as possible... even if I had a fancy
atmosphere recycler and/or Asgard trans****ter/replicator O2 generator.
You just know these complicated systems are going to fail at the worst
possible time. And when the CO2 scrubbers break down it's nice to buy
some time with a few full atmosphere exchanges.
I think I'd also want a tank of anti-Wraith virus ready to flood the
station.
| > | How
| > | does this stop Pegasus bugs from coming through? Isn't everybody on
the
| > | station always infected? And how does anybody else come through?
Does
| > | the station take one batch of guests (up to 2 apparently) and then
not
| > | let anybody on for 24 hours until they leave? Otherwise the 24 hour
| > | period has to keep starting over. And if that's the case, Stargate
| > | Command should have DEFINITELY challenged the incoming wormhole. It
| > | was, at the very least, breaking quarantine protocol.
| >
| > What about the fact that Ronon wanted to dial Earth directly _because_
going
| > through Midway involved the 24 hour quarantine. Apparently if you
dial
| > direct
| > you don't need any quarantine or maybe they quarantine you more
comfortably
| > in
| > the SGC. Between that, the limited accommodations on Midway, and the
overall
| > stupidity of the quarantine protocol I was almost ready to believe
that the
| > whole thing was simply a scam to make Ronon spend more time with his
tutor.
|
| Hah! I almost like that.
| >
| > | > | The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help
prevent
| > | > | a
| > | > | similar incursion.
| > | > |
| > | > | Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the
SGC,
| > | > | there
| > | > | is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
| > | >
| > | > Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you
a
| > | > free pass into the SGC.
| > |
| > | I'm not sure why there are gates on any planets anyway, unless
they're
| > | intended to act as a failsafe, which they didn't seem to be. The
first
| > | gate should take you outside the galaxy, and it and all the others
| > | should be in space. Unless suddenly we have a gate network that
can't
| > | jump anyplace in it's own galaxy in one hop.
| >
| > Maybe it's easier to tinker with the gate if it's on a planet? Easier
for
| > Rodney, but also easier for the Wraith.
|
| They put the space gates where they are. I assume Rodney tinkered with
| them first.
Easier to tinker with in place? Maybe the first/last gate needs a DHD
and DHDs don't like floating in space? Rodney did say the new macro
crystal had to be installed in the alternate gate's DHD.
Dan Lanciani
ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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