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ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dan Lanciani) wrote:
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(Anim8rFSK) writes:
> | In article <1345363@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> | ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dan Lanciani) wrote:
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> | > In article
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> | > ANIM8Rfsk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Anim8rFSK) writes:
> | > | In article <1345362@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> | > | ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dan Lanciani) wrote:
> | > |
> | > | > "Martin" <nonhere@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> | > | > news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > | >
> | > | > | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were
able to
> | > | > | enter
> | > | > | an ident code.
> | > | >
> | > | > Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock
down.
> | > | >
> | > | > | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
> | > | > | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard
> | > | > | Midway
> | > | > | and
> | > | > | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have
got an
> | > | > | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth
> | > | > | Stargate.
> | > | >
> | > | > Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking
for an
> | > | > audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model
where
> | > | > each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole
before
> | > | > it can connect to the next hop.
> | > |
> | > | Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
> | > | assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being
stuck in
> | > | a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being
dumped
> | > | out into space).
> | >
> | > Well, I guess he should know since he wrote the macros. Maybe the
> | > algorithm
> | > is that if you can't continue you get re-integrated and dumped.
Good if
> | > you
> | > are at the planet gate, bad everywhere else. Rodney would just be
> | > following
> | > the Ancient tradition of building death traps.
> |
> | seems like it.
> |
> | And he did know that the
> | > "glitch" was at the planet-based gate. Maybe he had to know that.
He
> | > said
> | > they couldn't contact Midway and the only way they could detect that
> | > condition
> | > (other than waiting for a call back) is at the first hop. With only
one
> | > worm
> | > hole open at a time there is no back-channel for status re****ts.
> |
> | But he's getting one somehow anyway. He knew when and where the
glitch
> | occured, and assumed they were safe just because the timing was such
> | that they should have been past the planetary gate. So something is
> | sending information back at him.
>
> He knew that he couldn't connect even to the first gate in the bridge,
> so the feedback was automatic. But had there been a glitch further
> along could he have known? Of course, much as I suggested they use
> the ZPM to connect to Midway directly they should be able to dial each
> gate along the bridge to see if it is ok. And if it isn't set up to
> do that it should be. They might also want to weld permanent covers
> on all the intermediate gates to prevent them being used conventionally.
> (I'm sure Rodney thinks the gates can't be hacked remotely, but we all
> know how those things go.)
Hmm. Do we know the gates would work with a cover welded to them?
And would you have to weld a cover on both sides?
>
> | If they
> | > can't
> | > persuade a gate to sup****t incoming and outgoing worm holes at the
same
> | > time
> | > they might want to consider having a macro to make every other gate
> | > multi-dial
> | > its two neighbors. At least that way they could have a cut-through
> | > bridge
> | > for
> | > radio.
> | >
> | > | > When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a
> | > | > normal
> | > | > connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same
worm
> | > | > hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been
buffered
> | > | > in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an
> | > | > appropriate
> | > | > rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to
allow
> | > | > the
> | > | > iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer
in
> | > | > this
> | > | > configuration to preserve the relative timing.)
> | > | >
> | > | > There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible
confirmation
> | > | > unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it
> | > | > obviously
> | > | > wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that
you
> | > | > can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that,
e.g.,
> | > | > there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly
risky
> | > | > procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have
at
> | > | > least
> | > | > one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk
before
> | > | > sending
> | > | > anyone through. At the same time that would increase the
confidence
> | > | > before opening the iris.
> | > |
> | > | Yep. I wondered why they weren't surprised to hear from Midway a
full
> | > | 24 hours before Teal'c was scheduled to return. Obviously there
> | > | weren't
> | > | any other travellers on the station* and if everybody has to go
through
> | > | the quarantine, then this is an unscheduled activation.
> | >
> | > I suppose in theory it could have been one of the residents.
> |
> | I don't see how.
>
> You know, like, somebody needs an emergency appendectomy. But every
> unscheduled activation should still by definition be a message only.
So there's no reason to open the iris.
>
> | They'd have to be under the same quarantine as
> | everybody that comes in, every time.
>
> I don't think they have thought this through. Actually, I think the
> main problem is that they don't quite know what threats they are trying
> to guard against at Midway. Hence they are doing a poor job guarding
> against anything.
Absolutely.
>
> | Still they
> | > should have called with a message (only) first. I mean, the whole
> | > purpose
> | > of the bridge is to make calls power-cheap, so they could afford a
few
> | > extras.
> | >
> | > | *world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers
just
> | > | roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?
> | >
> | > They die?
> |
> | Yeah. And somebody pushes the self destruct on the station.
> |
> | Oh, by the way, Midway can not only vent the air into space, they have
> | enough extra to refill the place in a hurry too?
>
> Well, they did one thing right. If I were hanging out between galaxies
> I'd want as much spare air on hand as possible... even if I had a fancy
> atmosphere recycler and/or Asgard trans****ter/replicator O2 generator.
> You just know these complicated systems are going to fail at the worst
> possible time. And when the CO2 scrubbers break down it's nice to buy
> some time with a few full atmosphere exchanges.
>
> I think I'd also want a tank of anti-Wraith virus ready to flood the
> station.
Yep
>
> | > | How
> | > | does this stop Pegasus bugs from coming through? Isn't everybody
on
> | > | the
> | > | station always infected? And how does anybody else come through?
Does
> | > | the station take one batch of guests (up to 2 apparently) and then
not
> | > | let anybody on for 24 hours until they leave? Otherwise the 24
hour
> | > | period has to keep starting over. And if that's the case, Stargate
> | > | Command should have DEFINITELY challenged the incoming wormhole.
It
> | > | was, at the very least, breaking quarantine protocol.
> | >
> | > What about the fact that Ronon wanted to dial Earth directly
_because_
> | > going
> | > through Midway involved the 24 hour quarantine. Apparently if you
dial
> | > direct
> | > you don't need any quarantine or maybe they quarantine you more
> | > comfortably
> | > in
> | > the SGC. Between that, the limited accommodations on Midway, and
the
> | > overall
> | > stupidity of the quarantine protocol I was almost ready to believe
that
> | > the
> | > whole thing was simply a scam to make Ronon spend more time with his
> | > tutor.
> |
> | Hah! I almost like that.
> | >
> | > | > | The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help
> | > | > | prevent
> | > | > | a
> | > | > | similar incursion.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to
the
> | > | > | SGC,
> | > | > | there
> | > | > | is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
> | > | >
> | > | > Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give
you a
> | > | > free pass into the SGC.
> | > |
> | > | I'm not sure why there are gates on any planets anyway, unless
they're
> | > | intended to act as a failsafe, which they didn't seem to be. The
first
> | > | gate should take you outside the galaxy, and it and all the others
> | > | should be in space. Unless suddenly we have a gate network that
can't
> | > | jump anyplace in it's own galaxy in one hop.
> | >
> | > Maybe it's easier to tinker with the gate if it's on a planet?
Easier
> | > for
> | > Rodney, but also easier for the Wraith.
> |
> | They put the space gates where they are. I assume Rodney tinkered
with
> | them first.
>
> Easier to tinker with in place? Maybe the first/last gate needs a DHD
> and DHDs don't like floating in space? Rodney did say the new macro
> crystal had to be installed in the alternate gate's DHD.
>
> Dan Lanciani
> ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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