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>, eta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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writes:
| "Dan Lanciani" <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
| news:1345379@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > In article <13smpno3e6vie03@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, eta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Lambda)
| > writes:
| > | "Dan Lanciani" <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
| > | news:1345378@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > | > In article <13sm969k2a1md17@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, eta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Lambda)
| > | > writes:
| > | > | "Dan Lanciani" <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
| > | > | news:1345376@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > | > | > In article
| > | > | >
| > <a6e4183e-f630-461f-a91b-8de00ae76c23@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
| > | > | > jonmason1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(masonReloaded) writes:
| > | > | > | On Mar 2, 3:52 am, "Dimensional Traveler"
<dtra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
| > wrote:
| > | > | > | > David B wrote:
| > | > | > | > > PuddinTame wrote:
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > >> On Feb 29, 8:45 pm, karalou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| > | > | > | > >>> When the producers said that this all can be explained
| > using
| > | > | > | > >>> science, they aren't necessarily referring to
| > common-knowledge
| > | > | > | > >>> items on the high school level.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > >> Okay, now one poster on this thread says the producers
| > claimed
| > | > all
| > | > | > | > >> would be explained via sci-fi and the supernatural.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > >> Now another poster says the producers claimed all would
be
| > | > revealed
| > | > | > | > >> through science.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > >> Which is it? Or have the producers said both?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > > Yes:
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/41053b4c61cf3826?hl=en&
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > > "....It may not come for a very long time, but certain
| > | > information
| > | > | > | > > about the island will explain how things are possible.
| > We'll
| > | > try to
| > | > | > | > > root it in real science or real pseudo-science."
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > > David Fury (one of the producers from season one)
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Real pseudo-science? WTF is that supposed to mean?
(Besides
| > the
| > | > | > obvious,
| > | > | > | > deafeningly loud tap-dancing.)
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | I guess they mean there will be some kind of
| > "technobabble/bull****"
| > | > | > | explanation for everything - like they have kind of provided
for
| > | > | > | Desmond's time experiences, instead of just handwaving that
"the
| > | > | > | island let him travel in time" they have come up with some
wierd
| > | > stuff
| > | > | > | to explain it. Similarly the smoke monster will probably
not
| > just
| > | > be
| > | > | > | "oh that monster was always here, it's magic and ancient" -
it
| > will
| > | > be
| > | > | > | "It's nanites" or "It's a psychic projection" etc...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > That kind of explanation works fine for the weird phenomena,
but
| > I'm
| > | > | > much more interested in explanations of the behavior we have
seen
| > or
| > | > | > inferred.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > -Why would anyone disguise a real (and apparently dangerous)
| > physics
| > | > | > experiment as a stupid psychology experiment?
| > | > |
| > | > | Before the "incident", the Swan hatch was used for something
else.
| > After
| > | > the
| > | > | Incident, they changed the hatch to the number punching stuffies
^_^
| > | >
| > | > The suggestion that they may have used the hatch for something
else
| > prior
| > | > to
| > | > the alleged incident doesn't explain why they set it up to look
like a
| > | > stupid
| > | > psychology experiment after the alleged incident.
| > |
| > | The orientation video in the Pearl about the psych experiment was
older
| > than
| > | the orientation video in the Swan. It was BEFORE the incident not
AFTER.
| >
| > Again, this is all well and good but in no way explains why they set
up
| > the hatch to look like a stupid psychology experiment. Remember, both
| > the audience and characters (e.g., Jack) recognized the stupid
psychology
| > experiment long before the Pearl orientation video turned up.
| >
| > | > | > -Why have observers send their notebooks to the middle of
nowhere
| > by
| > | > | > pneumatic conveyor?
| > | > |
| > | > | Maybe they had a truck or container that filled up as they sent
the
| > | > | notebooks and this container was picked up on occation. This
makes
| > sense
| > | > if
| > | > | they want to keep the experiment a secret. If ANYONE other than
| > those
| > | > | involved find out about it, it might leak out and ruin the
| > experiment.
| > | >
| > | > Ok. Why did they continue to ferry the observers in to write and
send
| > | > their notebooks long (very long given the size of the pile) after
they
| > | > had stopped collecting said notebooks?
| > | >
| > |
| > | Thats a good point. Desmond pointed out that maybe it was the other
way
| > | around, that the Pearl, was the experiment and not the Swan...maybe
| > thats
| > | it...but you do have a good point.
| >
| > Which brings us back to: why would anyone conduct such a stupid
| > psychology
| > experiment in such a dangerous environment?
| >
| > | > | > -Why didn't Juliette ever investigate the alleged cancer cure
in
| > the
| > | > | > course of (allegedly) looking for a solution to the pregnancy
| > problem?
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | She couldn't leave the island.
| > | >
| > | > What's that got to do with anything? Ben was on the island.
Juliette
| > | > was on the island. Ben claimed to have a cure for cancer. Ben
asked
| > | > Juliette to solve the pregnancy problem. Juliette failed to ask
Ben
| > | > for details of the cancer cure. Juliette was shown to be a
reasonably
| > | > skilled medical professional. Investigating the possible
connection
| > | > between a mysterious pregnancy problem and a mysterious cancer
cure
| > | > should have been her highest priority.
| > |
| > |
| > | Ok, I'm confused. I ass-u-me you were referring to Juliet's sister
who
| > got
| > | cancer while Juliet was on the island? Ben told her that Jacob
himself
| > would
| > | take care of it and took her to the Flame where she saw her sister
in
| > the
| > | park.
| > |
| > | If that is what you are refering to, then like I said, she could not
| > leave
| > | the island because Ben would not let her.
| >
| > Again, what does it have to do with leaving the island? The
conversation
| > should have gone something like this:
| >
| > Ben: I can have your sister's cancer cured.
| >
| > Juliette: That's great. How exactly does the cure work?
| >
| > Ben: <something uninformative>
| >
| > Juliette: But Ben, two mysterious medical effects related to the same
| > island? There's almost certainly a connection between your cancer
| > cure and the pregnancy problem. You need to tell me everything about
| > the cure so I can study it.
| >
| > Ben: No, there is no connection.
| >
| > Juliette: Well, Ben, in order for you to be so sure of that you must
have
| > far more medical expertise than I and in particular you must
understand
| > the pregnancy problem far better than I do. Given that you have not
| > shared
| > any of this knowledge with me you obviously do not want me to find a
cure
| > for the pregnancy problem. Why did you bring me here Ben?
|
| Ah ok, now I understand the angle you are referring to. Yes, I agree
that as
| a scientist Juliet would have been very curious about the process
involved.
It's not just a matter of being very curious as a scientist. She is
supposedly working on a cure for the pregnancy problem in cooperation
with Ben. This cannot be reconciled with her failure to ask for and
receive critical need-to-know information in furtherance of that end.
| The only answer I can give, is when Ben and Juliet had the conversation,
Ben
| spoke about Jacob curing her sister and Juliet got very quiet. That made
me
| think that she knows about Jacob and maybe what he can do.
Obviously she doesn't know much since she (finally) confronted Ben when
she discovered his tumor. If she knew what was going on, that
conversation
would have been very different. She might have just said, ``oh, I see
what is causing your distress, you just need to get Jacob to cure this
tumor.'' As it turned out they needed a plain old neurosurgeon, so
whatever
she thought she may have known was untrue. If she had been lied to about
the details of the cure she should have discovered this by now through her
research. If she had asked for and been denied the information she should
have realized that Ben was lying long ago. I see no way to make sense of
this.
Dan Lanciani
ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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