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> | "Dan Lanciani" <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> | > writes:
> | > | "Dan Lanciani" <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> | > | > writes:
> | > | > | "Dan Lanciani" <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> | > | > | > In article
> | > | > | >
> | > <a6e4183e-f630-461f-a91b-8de00ae76c23@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> | > | > | > jonmason1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(masonReloaded) writes:
> | > | > | > | On Mar 2, 3:52 am, "Dimensional Traveler"
> <dtra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> | > wrote:
> | > | > | > | > David B wrote:
> | > | > | > | > > PuddinTame wrote:
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > >> On Feb 29, 8:45 pm, karalou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> | > | > | > | > >>> When the producers said that this all can be
explained
> | > using
> | > | > | > | > >>> science, they aren't necessarily referring to
> | > common-knowledge
> | > | > | > | > >>> items on the high school level.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > >> Okay, now one poster on this thread says the
producers
> | > claimed
> | > | > all
> | > | > | > | > >> would be explained via sci-fi and the supernatural.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > >> Now another poster says the producers claimed all
would
> be
> | > | > revealed
> | > | > | > | > >> through science.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > >> Which is it? Or have the producers said both?
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > > Yes:
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | >
> | >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/41053b4c61cf3826?hl=en&
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > > "....It may not come for a very long time, but certain
> | > | > information
> | > | > | > | > > about the island will explain how things are possible.
> | > We'll
> | > | > try to
> | > | > | > | > > root it in real science or real pseudo-science."
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > > David Fury (one of the producers from season one)
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Real pseudo-science? WTF is that supposed to mean?
> (Besides
> | > the
> | > | > | > obvious,
> | > | > | > | > deafeningly loud tap-dancing.)
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | I guess they mean there will be some kind of
> | > "technobabble/bull****"
> | > | > | > | explanation for everything - like they have kind of
provided
> for
> | > | > | > | Desmond's time experiences, instead of just handwaving
that
> "the
> | > | > | > | island let him travel in time" they have come up with some
> wierd
> | > | > stuff
> | > | > | > | to explain it. Similarly the smoke monster will probably
> not
> | > just
> | > | > be
> | > | > | > | "oh that monster was always here, it's magic and ancient"
-
> it
> | > will
> | > | > be
> | > | > | > | "It's nanites" or "It's a psychic projection" etc...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > That kind of explanation works fine for the weird phenomena,
> but
> | > I'm
> | > | > | > much more interested in explanations of the behavior we have
> seen
> | > or
> | > | > | > inferred.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > -Why would anyone disguise a real (and apparently dangerous)
> | > physics
> | > | > | > experiment as a stupid psychology experiment?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Before the "incident", the Swan hatch was used for something
> else.
> | > After
> | > | > the
> | > | > | Incident, they changed the hatch to the number punching
stuffies
> ^_^
> | > | >
> | > | > The suggestion that they may have used the hatch for something
> else
> | > prior
> | > | > to
> | > | > the alleged incident doesn't explain why they set it up to look
> like a
> | > | > stupid
> | > | > psychology experiment after the alleged incident.
> | > |
> | > | The orientation video in the Pearl about the psych experiment was
> older
> | > than
> | > | the orientation video in the Swan. It was BEFORE the incident not
> AFTER.
> | >
> | > Again, this is all well and good but in no way explains why they set
> up
> | > the hatch to look like a stupid psychology experiment. Remember,
both
> | > the audience and characters (e.g., Jack) recognized the stupid
> psychology
> | > experiment long before the Pearl orientation video turned up.
> | >
> | > | > | > -Why have observers send their notebooks to the middle of
> nowhere
> | > by
> | > | > | > pneumatic conveyor?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Maybe they had a truck or container that filled up as they
sent
> the
> | > | > | notebooks and this container was picked up on occation. This
> makes
> | > sense
> | > | > if
> | > | > | they want to keep the experiment a secret. If ANYONE other
than
> | > those
> | > | > | involved find out about it, it might leak out and ruin the
> | > experiment.
> | > | >
> | > | > Ok. Why did they continue to ferry the observers in to write
and
> send
> | > | > their notebooks long (very long given the size of the pile)
after
> they
> | > | > had stopped collecting said notebooks?
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > | Thats a good point. Desmond pointed out that maybe it was the
other
> way
> | > | around, that the Pearl, was the experiment and not the
Swan...maybe
> | > thats
> | > | it...but you do have a good point.
> | >
> | > Which brings us back to: why would anyone conduct such a stupid
> | > psychology
> | > experiment in such a dangerous environment?
> | >
> | > | > | > -Why didn't Juliette ever investigate the alleged cancer
cure
> in
> | > the
> | > | > | > course of (allegedly) looking for a solution to the
pregnancy
> | > problem?
> | > | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | > | She couldn't leave the island.
> | > | >
> | > | > What's that got to do with anything? Ben was on the island.
> Juliette
> | > | > was on the island. Ben claimed to have a cure for cancer. Ben
> asked
> | > | > Juliette to solve the pregnancy problem. Juliette failed to ask
> Ben
> | > | > for details of the cancer cure. Juliette was shown to be a
> reasonably
> | > | > skilled medical professional. Investigating the possible
> connection
> | > | > between a mysterious pregnancy problem and a mysterious cancer
> cure
> | > | > should have been her highest priority.
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | Ok, I'm confused. I ass-u-me you were referring to Juliet's sister
> who
> | > got
> | > | cancer while Juliet was on the island? Ben told her that Jacob
> himself
> | > would
> | > | take care of it and took her to the Flame where she saw her sister
> in
> | > the
> | > | park.
> | > |
> | > | If that is what you are refering to, then like I said, she could
not
> | > leave
> | > | the island because Ben would not let her.
> | >
> | > Again, what does it have to do with leaving the island? The
> conversation
> | > should have gone something like this:
> | >
> | > Ben: I can have your sister's cancer cured.
> | >
> | > Juliette: That's great. How exactly does the cure work?
> | >
> | > Ben: <something uninformative>
> | >
> | > Juliette: But Ben, two mysterious medical effects related to the
same
> | > island? There's almost certainly a connection between your cancer
> | > cure and the pregnancy problem. You need to tell me everything
about
> | > the cure so I can study it.
> | >
> | > Ben: No, there is no connection.
> | >
> | > Juliette: Well, Ben, in order for you to be so sure of that you must
> have
> | > far more medical expertise than I and in particular you must
> understand
> | > the pregnancy problem far better than I do. Given that you have not
> | > shared
> | > any of this knowledge with me you obviously do not want me to find a
> cure
> | > for the pregnancy problem. Why did you bring me here Ben?
> |
> | Ah ok, now I understand the angle you are referring to. Yes, I agree
> that as
> | a scientist Juliet would have been very curious about the process
> involved.
>
> It's not just a matter of being very curious as a scientist. She is
> supposedly working on a cure for the pregnancy problem in cooperation
> with Ben. This cannot be reconciled with her failure to ask for and
> receive critical need-to-know information in furtherance of that end.
>
> | The only answer I can give, is when Ben and Juliet had the
conversation,
> Ben
> | spoke about Jacob curing her sister and Juliet got very quiet. That
made
> me
> | think that she knows about Jacob and maybe what he can do.
>
> Obviously she doesn't know much since she (finally) confronted Ben when
> she discovered his tumor. If she knew what was going on, that
> conversation
> would have been very different. She might have just said, ``oh, I see
> what is causing your distress, you just need to get Jacob to cure this
> tumor.'' As it turned out they needed a plain old neurosurgeon, so
> whatever
> she thought she may have known was untrue. If she had been lied to
about
> the details of the cure she should have discovered this by now through
her
> research. If she had asked for and been denied the information she
should
> have realized that Ben was lying long ago. I see no way to make sense
of
> this.
Yeah that is kind of weird, and I have no good answer for that. Perhaps
the
more we get to understand Jacob, the more light on this will be revealed.
Maybe the healing abilities of the island are selective with who (whom) it
heals. Ben seems to be a bully, so maybe the island doesn't like him very
much. *lol*
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