Re: Thoughts on how the Terminator TV series will end?

George W Harris  <gharrus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:21:44 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>>George W Harris <gharrus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:28:13 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>>>>George W Harris <gharrus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>>>>>>Terry Gilliam got it right in "Twelve Monkeys". Bruce Willis refused
to
>>>>>>believe in time paradoxes, kept telling all the psychiatrist that
it's
>>>>>>all unalterable history, although that turns out not to be the case.

>>>>>	eh?  What history was altered in "Twelve Monkeys"?

>>>>He didn't realize that Madeleine Stowe's phone call would instigate
the
>>>>events that followed.

>>>	Right.  That's not a change, though.  That's just 
>>>discovering new information.

>>The point was that Bruce Willis's character was at the center of events
>>too, but he was wrong about his own historic role, thinking that it was
>>his influence on the industrialist's son.

>	Right, just as Kyle Reese was at the center of 
>events in "Terminator"; that doesn't eliminate the 
>scenario of an unchanging past.

Valiant attempt to bring this thread back on topic. I'm hoping some of
what Sarah is attemtping in the current tv series has adverse
consequences; it would be more fun. Even more fun would be a
Terminator's mission having unintended consequences too. I'd like to be
unable to learn who the badguys ultimately are.

>>>	This is what some people call a paradox but which I 
>>>prefer to call a causal loop to distinguish it from instances 
>>>where you can change the past and doing so creates an 
>>>inconsistency (killing an ancestor before he/she reproduces, 
>>>for example).  It's a little mind-bending, but there's no 
>>>changing of the past involved.

>>Heh. I don't recall Bruce Willis expressing his belief in causality.

>	Well, he did say stuff about "it's in the past, it's already
>happened".

Even at the end, I wondered if he realized how actions he hadn't yet
taken had affected the past.