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kwicker1b_nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> 1. Cavil . . . Extremely pro-Cylon
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One has to define what is pro Cylon. To be pro Cylon is to be auto
matically and
uncompramisingly anti human? I don't think so. However, in Cavil's case,
yes he is
extremely hostile to humans and discovering his own origins.
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> 2. Leoben
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I don't think they are as anti human as you think. I think they are very
pro human
given that models exposure to them, particularly Starbuck. I think that is
a common
theme. Cylons with extended intimate contact with humans become at least
tolerant and
start to question if wiping them out is the right thing to do. Leobans,
Sixes, Biers
and Sharons have all had intimate affairs with humans. The Dorals, Simons,
and Cavils
have not (no, Ellen Tigh having *** with a Cavil doesn't count since it
was a
coercive quid pro quo arrangement). No surprise of the break down of who
is pro and
who is anti. Boomer is the exception. It is because she was rejected by
the Humans-
and Hera-is mainly as to why she is anti human.
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> 3. D'ana
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D'anna Biers. Quite pro human. She had a relation****p with Baltar and she
stayed with
the humans as a mediator on New Caprica. Then there was her relation****p
with the
Oracle. Yes one of her model was vehemently anti human-the one in the
parking garage
on New Caprica in the bombing-but Biers and the others are quite pro human
and
wanting to discover their origins. It was for her wanting to find out who
the Final
Five were that got her line boxed.
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> 4. Doral (or Simon)
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Simon is four. He is quiet about it but he seems anti human. He sided with
the Cavils
and the Dorals to labotamize the Raiders. I haven't seen much pro human
inclinations
although his treatment of Kara was gentle enough, but that was an act I
think. He
certainly goes with the Cavils in the Final Five ban and is willing to
destroy the
Human Fleet without finding out if they are there or not.
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> 5. Simon (or Doral)
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Doral is five and extremely anti human; about as ruthless and pro genocide
as the
Cavils are.
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> 6. Sheila
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Shelia the woman in Baltar's Cult? Could be a Cylon but we don't know who
her
loyalties are if she is one. However, I don't think she is tall enough and
she is not
the long term character RDM said would be the fifth Cylon.
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> 7. *** (Laura / William / Kara) ***
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Sorry, none of the above. All have been ruled out by RDM to be Cylons.
They are all
certainly pro human.
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> 8. Sharon . . . Mixed loyalty
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As a group the Sharons are pro discovering the Final Five and they seem
indifferent
to humans. However, the individuals Boomer and Athena's loyalties are
perfectly
clear. Boomer is now vehemently anti human and wants to see them
destroyed, Final
Five with them or not; while Athena is just a vehemently pro human and
wants to be
with them unconditionally. Indeed, she participated in the abortive
genocide of her
own people during the virus incident. The two essentially switched sides.
Boomer just
after she discovered being a Cylon was very pro human then she changed due
to the
failure of New Caprica and her resentment of Athena's baby and the
Colonials
rejection of her. Athena was anti human until she fell in love with Helo
and after
some period of mistreatment, she is now accepted by the humans, not to
mention having
a child by one. Boomer also resents having lost that and not having a
child, which
fuels her hatred.
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> 9. (Galen)
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As to numbering could be. Pro human of course
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> 10. (Tori)
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The same.
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> 11. (Samuel)
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The same.
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> 12. (Saul) . . . Extremely pro-Human
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The same although any of the final four could be equally as loyal as Tigh.
Similar to
the Cavils in attitude, being pro human doesn't mean being
uncompramisingly anti-
Cylon.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. 13. [Baltar / Imperious Leader / Iblis] . . . Traitor (to all?)
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Nope, he is human he is just a traitor to the humans. He also has been
ruled out as a
Cylon by RDM.
There are several availible humans that could be the fifth Cylon (exept
Cally, she
has been ruled out by RDM as well):
Dualla
Gaeta
However, if we remember that the last of the Final Five Cylons was rather
tall,
taller than D'anna Biers-because that was the last face she saw in the
Temple on
the Algae planet. It would seem that Dualla and Gaeta have been ruled out.
There are still a few candidates, several of the pilots incuding Seelix
and
"Race track" I think "Race Track"-Margaret Edmunson-is a bit too short.
One other thing to consider: right now the 11 known (to the audiance)
Cylons are male
heavy with seven guys: Cavil, Doral, Simon, Leoben, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh.
But only four females: Six, Sharon, Biers, Foster.
We need one female to balance it out a bit to seven men and five women.
So I think we need a fairly tall female if I am right: That could be
Seelix.
If RDM wants to maintain the imbalanced male female ratio then Dr. Cottle
could be a
candidate. He is tall enough and given their relation****p on New Caprica
it would be
him that would make her smile when she steps in front of the last one in
the Temple.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
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