"Hunter" <buffhunter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> kwicker1b_nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>> 1. Cavil . . . Extremely pro-Cylon
> ---
> One has to define what is pro Cylon. To be pro Cylon is to be auto
> matically and
> uncompramisingly anti human? I don't think so. However, in Cavil's case,
> yes he is
> extremely hostile to humans and discovering his own origins.
Thus I didn't say anti-human (or anti-cylon). However nice noticing that.
>> 2. Leoben
> ----
> I don't think they are as anti human as you think. I think they are very
> pro human
> given that models exposure to them, particularly Starbuck. I think that
is
> a common
> theme. Cylons with extended intimate contact with humans become at least
> tolerant and
> start to question if wiping them out is the right thing to do. Leobans,
> Sixes, Biers
> and Sharons have all had intimate affairs with humans. The Dorals,
Simons,
> and Cavils
> have not (no, Ellen Tigh having *** with a Cavil doesn't count since it
> was a
> coercive quid pro quo arrangement). No surprise of the break down of who
> is pro and
> who is anti. Boomer is the exception. It is because she was rejected by
> the Humans-
> and Hera-is mainly as to why she is anti human.
>>
>> 3. D'ana
> ----
> D'anna Biers. Quite pro human. She had a relation****p with Baltar and
she
> stayed with
> the humans as a mediator on New Caprica. Then there was her relation****p
> with the
> Oracle. Yes one of her model was vehemently anti human-the one in the
> parking garage
> on New Caprica in the bombing-but Biers and the others are quite pro
human
> and
> wanting to discover their origins. It was for her wanting to find out
who
> the Final
> Five were that got her line boxed.
>>
>> 4. Doral (or Simon)
> ---
> Simon is four. He is quiet about it but he seems anti human. He sided
with
> the Cavils
> and the Dorals to labotamize the Raiders. I haven't seen much pro human
> inclinations
> although his treatment of Kara was gentle enough, but that was an act I
> think. He
> certainly goes with the Cavils in the Final Five ban and is willing to
> destroy the
> Human Fleet without finding out if they are there or not.
>>
>> 5. Simon (or Doral)
> ---
> Doral is five and extremely anti human; about as ruthless and pro
genocide
> as the
> Cavils are.
>>
>> 6. Sheila
> -----
> Shelia the woman in Baltar's Cult? Could be a Cylon but we don't know
who
> her
> loyalties are if she is one. However, I don't think she is tall enough
and
> she is not
> the long term character RDM said would be the fifth Cylon.
Sheila Godfrey.
>> 7. *** (Laura / William / Kara) ***
> ----
> Sorry, none of the above. All have been ruled out by RDM to be Cylons.
> They are all
> certainly pro human.
>>
>> 8. Sharon . . . Mixed loyalty
> ----
> As a group the Sharons are pro discovering the Final Five and they seem
> indifferent
> to humans. However, the individuals Boomer and Athena's loyalties are
> perfectly
> clear. Boomer is now vehemently anti human and wants to see them
> destroyed, Final
> Five with them or not; while Athena is just a vehemently pro human and
> wants to be
> with them unconditionally. Indeed, she participated in the abortive
> genocide of her
> own people during the virus incident. The two essentially switched
sides.
> Boomer just
> after she discovered being a Cylon was very pro human then she changed
due
> to the
> failure of New Caprica and her resentment of Athena's baby and the
> Colonials
> rejection of her. Athena was anti human until she fell in love with Helo
> and after
> some period of mistreatment, she is now accepted by the humans, not to
> mention having
> a child by one. Boomer also resents having lost that and not having a
> child, which
> fuels her hatred.
>>
>> 9. (Galen)
> ----
> As to numbering could be. Pro human of course
>>
>> 10. (Tori)
> ---
> The same.
>>
>> 11. (Samuel)
> ----
> The same.
>>
>> 12. (Saul) . . . Extremely pro-Human
> ----
> The same although any of the final four could be equally as loyal as
Tigh.
> Similar to
> the Cavils in attitude, being pro human doesn't mean being
> uncompramisingly anti-
> Cylon.
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago
>>
>> P.S. 13. [Baltar / Imperious Leader / Iblis] . . . Traitor (to all?)
> -----
> Nope, he is human he is just a traitor to the humans. He also has been
> ruled out as a
> Cylon by RDM.
>
> There are several availible humans that could be the fifth Cylon (exept
> Cally, she
> has been ruled out by RDM as well):
>
> Dualla
> Gaeta
>
> However, if we remember that the last of the Final Five Cylons was
rather
> tall,
> taller than D'anna Biers-because that was the last face she saw in the
> Temple on
> the Algae planet. It would seem that Dualla and Gaeta have been ruled
out.
>
> There are still a few candidates, several of the pilots incuding Seelix
> and
> "Race track" I think "Race Track"-Margaret Edmunson-is a bit too short.
>
> One other thing to consider: right now the 11 known (to the audiance)
> Cylons are male
> heavy with seven guys: Cavil, Doral, Simon, Leoben, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh.
>
> But only four females: Six, Sharon, Biers, Foster.
>
> We need one female to balance it out a bit to seven men and five women.
>
> So I think we need a fairly tall female if I am right: That could be
> Seelix.
>
> If RDM wants to maintain the imbalanced male female ratio then Dr.
Cottle
> could be a
> candidate. He is tall enough and given their relation****p on New Caprica
> it would be
> him that would make her smile when she steps in front of the last one in
> the Temple.
>
> --
> ----->Hunter
RDM also ruled out romance between Apollo and female Starbuck.
Trust the writing, not writers.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. "Writers are evil."--Ken from Chicago.
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