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Ubiquitous <weberm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Yes, a pointless, fairly nonsensical episode. They seem to have drawn up
> a list of the most creepy, eerie imagery & half-formed concepts they
> could come up with, and then just sort of thrown them all on the screen
> in the least effective way possible. I know this is a ghost story and
> isn't really supposed to make actual scientific sense, but when your
> main method of trying to "explain" what's going on is to have Jack just
> out of nowhere declare that the reason images of people who were on the
> film before appear to be "missing" now is that they somehow came to life
> and stepped off the screen, or that the way to stop them is to film them
> then expose the film to light which will make them disappear, while the
> rest cast go "Of course, that makes perfect sense". rather than "and
> just where the hell are you coming up with this crap?", that's just a
> writer who can't be bothered to make any effort to make this ep. even
> seem like it makes sense.
Exactly! Take THAT Peachy!!!!
>
> The first time I saw this ep. something about the scene where Torchwood
> were screening the film in the hub really bugged me, but it's only now I
> think I really understand the reason for it. Jack's watching as they're
> running the film clips of all the circus people, when he suddenly sits
> up with a start & tells Tosh (who *of course* is the AV geek running the
> projector) to rewind to a particular scene, then says "The Night
> Travelers, so they *were* real!" But the shot he tells Tosh to go back
> to is just a group shot of all the same performers they've all been
> watching all along (including at least one of the clowns Jack claims to
> have known) waving to the camera. Then tonight I realized that a lot of
> the commentary about the film doesn't seem to match the actual footage
> we see; right after Jack cops to being one of the figures in the film
> and trades snark with Owen, Owen looks back to the film and says "Look
> at the state of him!" and Gwen says "but I do love his leotard." If you
> just listen to the dialog, it sounds unequivicably like they're still
> taking about Jack's appearance in the film, but when they cut to the
> film it's showing the strongman.
Yeah, the whole "did Jack meet the Night Travellers before" backstory
didn't make sense to me, but then it was so poorly written and presented
that it's actually defensible simply because it's so vague so I didn't
get into it.
>
> It would seem they filmed the hub scene and the rest of the principle
> photography for this ep. before they shot most of the "old" carney
> footage, and then they must have been rushed for time or something
> because they didn't wind up shooting nearly enough "old" footage to
> cover everything the script describes being in the film, it's just the
> same four or five shots of the same people over & over again. (Plus the
> "old" footage of Jack doesn't match the dialog as he's not wearing a
> leotard, so they had to cover that by throwing the footage of the strong
> man on the screen at that point instead).
yeah, what the hell was that? I thought they used the same footage of
the evil strong make and Jack interchangeably. I was sure Jack
travelled with them as their strong man and then it all fell apart.
Glad you noticed it too.
It seems the second unit crew
> really dropped the ball when it came to suppling the carney footage. Or
> else, since *all* the old carney footage seems to be of the same people
> we see as the "Night Travelers" in the flashback sequence and who come
> off the screen at the end, maybe the original intent was mix this
> footage in with genuine old carnival & freak show kinoscope footage, but
> in the end they couldn't find any actual footage to use and were stuck
> with just the fake stuff of the Night Travelers they'd intended to be
> sprinkled in among the genuine circus freaks.
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