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Re: BSG+ Centauri A, B, C and Cally (was Re: Anyone else notice...)

by "KalElFan" <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 20, 2008 at 04:48 PM

"Brad Templeton" <btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:KvOdnRel-ppTGpbVnZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In article <6716jmFg8ji1U1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> KalElFan <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Also on this point about Proxima Centauri (a red dwarf) orbiting the
>>brighter A & B from a far distance, that's *exactly* the depiction we
>>see in Starbuck's vision.  She could have jumped from our solar
>>system (where she saw Earth and Saturn), to Proxima Centauri.
>>She sees that star emitting flares, and off in the distance sees the
>>brighter Alpha Centauri A & B.   After the description of Earth
>>and Saturn, it just fits too well for it not to be the Alpha Centauri
>>system.
>
> The beings who moved her around wanted to give her some signposts,
> she would never have seen either Saturn or any triple star system
> from Earth without doing a sky survey, a very detailed one in the
> case of detecting Proxima, with good telescopes.

Best I can tell, you're drawing conclusions there's no basis for.  It
happens all the time with nitpicks.  There can be literally 1,000+
things that could account for something the writers simply haven't
yet explained, but the nitpick will attempt to rule out this or that, or
insist that this or that is necessary or that something seen before
can only be interpreted in one way.

Even assuming some beings were moving her around, they may have
only wanted to give her the signposts she has, rather than a detailed
sky survey from Earth's point of view.  Or it may have just happened
that way -- that she couldn't obtain or remember more information
than what she had about the ringed gas giant and triple star system.

> However, using Alpha Centauri or Saturn as "signposts" to Earth
> would be just plain stupid...

Assertion with literally no basis that you've demonstrated.

> ... Long, long before you got close enough to detect those things,
> the map of the zodiac would tell you where Earth was.

That assumes the beings, or her subconscious, or whatever led her
to Earth, allowed for a zodiac map check to assist Usenet nitpicks
in gaining validity they don`t have.

The nebula was a marker of sorts but they're still looking for a
needle in a very big haystack.

> So, unless we are just looking at some bad science on the part
> of the writers...

Or Usenet nitpicks that don't work.

> ... there is no point in analysing if it's alpha centauri (which does
> not flash)

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2004/proxima/

  ... its surface is in a state of turmoil. Flares, or explosive outbursts
  occur almost continually...

Dramatic license is an inconvenient concept for a Usenet nitpick that
just doesn't want to quit, but flash it probably did, to Starbuck.

> ... or Saturn.
>
> Rationally, it should be neither.  It should be some unknown
> system halfway along the path where, once you get there, you
> then can plot out the stars of the zodiac.

Maybe the writers considered that, found it boring and repetitive,
and decided to go with this instead.  They've gone through the
legend of Earth stage, and Roslyn's vision and Arrow of Apollo
phase, including the sky map that led them to the nebula. Now in
the home stretch, we have Starbuck and Roslyn perhaps having
the competing visions, and Starbuck's crew perhaps ready to
pull a mutiny on the bounty while she goes round the horn and
maybe off the deep end.  More interesting than just plotting out
stars on a map and exclaiming they've found Earth.

For all we know the Alpha Centauri system, if indeed that's her
vision, turns out to be some original cylon colony or the like.  Or
maybe it's just a coincidence and the writers weren't intending
Alpha Centauri, but I don't think any nitpick can rule it out let
alone dismiss it as bad writing.  If it's NOT Alpha Centauri, it's
arguably bad writing for making it such a perfect fit for the triple
star Alpha Centauri system.
 




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Re: BSG+ Centauri A, B, C and Cally (was Re: Anyone else notice.
John Graeme <jdgraeme@  2008-04-20 07:13:39 
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"KalElFan" <  2008-04-20 11:31:29 
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"KalElFan" <  2008-04-20 11:42:04 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-20 13:13:34 
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"KalElFan" <  2008-04-20 16:48:01 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-20 17:25:51 
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"KalElFan" <  2008-04-20 21:47:48 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-20 22:43:21 
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Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob@  2008-04-21 02:26:35 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-21 03:01:45 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-21 10:15:23 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-21 11:35:29 
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Fred Ellis <fkellis@[E  2008-04-21 10:20:11 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-21 11:37:13 
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Fred Ellis <fkellis@[E  2008-04-21 20:52:36 
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Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob@  2008-04-21 18:21:41 
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B  2008-04-21 19:26:53 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-22 09:41:00 
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