Re: Torchwood--So do they not have ***ual harrassment laws across

Pete B wrote:

> In article <3dPPj.5847$Ux4.530@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, exquisitepeach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> says...
> 
>>Pete B wrote:
>>
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>>>In article <q6FPj.13214$pH4.1542@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, exquisitepeach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
>>>says...
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>>>>  I've also been in the position of being told "do me or get fired".
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>That should clearly be illegal. But should dumb jokes really be? 
>>
>>   There is dumb, and then there is offensive.  And then there is guys 
>>starting to put your name in, saying "dumb ****s like Peach here".  And 
>>then there is "Peach and two other ****s walk into a bar".
>>
>>   And it's all just a joke ha-ha, and "if you are offended then maybe 
>>you aren't tough enough to work here".  Never mind if you are able to do

>>the job perfectly well, and Odin forbid you do the job better than they
do.
> 
> 
> The mark of a bully is usually that they think THEIR feelings should be 
> your guide.


   Well, I wouldn't say that.  I mean, they deliberately invoke those 
feelings in you - they just then want to be able to retreat to the 
safety of the joke claim when anyone else looks into the situation.


> 
> 
>>>And 
>>>should a women be afraid of jokes? Couldn't she chose someone elses 
>>>company? 
>>>
>>
>>    Sometimes she could.  Sometimes there is only one job around that 
>>pays a living wage.
> 
> 
> I ment avoid them.

    Ahh.

  Have you ever known a bully that this worked on?

   As a general rule the only avoidance is by quitting the job where the 
bullies are.

   Sometimes that is the only option available for personal safety or 
sanity.

   I'd rather live in a world where the behavior was just unacceptable.


> 
> 
>>   The question is, should anyone ever have to put up with a horrific 
>>situation at their place of employment?
> 
> 
> Seems to me humans need to evolve several millenia before that can be 
> avoided :-/
> 

    Perhaps.  But ***ual harassment policies have gone a long way to 
fixing things.

  As a general rule, bullying stops when management stops tolerating it.


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