Re: BSG+ Centauri A, B, C and Cally (was Re: Anyone else notice...)

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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Brad Templeton) writes:
| In article <1348048@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Dan Lanciani <ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
| >In article <fISdnf9__M6JhI_VnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Brad Templeton) writes:
| >| In article <1348011@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Dan Lanciani
<ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
| >| >In article <BKmdndaFIdvr2YzVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Brad Templeton) writes:
| >| >| In article <1347994@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Dan Lanciani
<ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
| >| >| >In article <Ma2dnSQkaYGIs5PVnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
btm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Brad
| >Templeton) writes:
| >| >| >
| >| >| >| I think we're pretty much done with the implanted memories
thing. 
| >| >| >| The 4 final Cylons, we're told very clearly, don't have fake
| >| >| >| memories, they have always been Cylons.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >What does that mean, though?  Before they knew they were Cylons
did they
| >| >| >remember parents and childhood and such?  Do they now?
| >| >| >
| >| >| >				Dan Lanciani
| >| >| >				ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >| >| 
| >| >| Of course they remember those, and I don't see any reason to
suspect
| >| >| the memories aren't true.  They have been Cylons from the start,
and
| >| >| I presume that means to their earliest memories.
| >| >
| >| >I'm surprised that we haven't seen them questioning those memories
| >| >(even though they may be real) based on what they know about other
| >| >Cylons.  Alternately, I'm surprised they haven't observed that they
| >| >are rather different from other Cylons.  I would think that
knowledge
| >| >of the fact that they have always been Cylons (without additional
data)
| >| >would lead to more interesting discussions than what we have heard.
| >| >
| >| >				Dan Lanciani
| >| >				ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >| 
| >| We haven't seen everything of course.   We do see them puzzling over
the
| >| meaning.   However, the audience knows more than they do, we know a
lot
| >| more about the other Cylons, how they download and thus, we presume,
| >| don't age the way the F5 do.
| >
| >They really should know all this via Athena.  That she can be a
| >Colonial officer while still withholding key information is a
| >bothersome plot issue.
| 
| 
| She probably has been debriefed on the basics, but obviously the 4
| can't go asking her pointed questions right now.

Sure, but one of the four was almost certainly in on any such debriefing
and they really should have dealt with more than the most basic basics.
I mean, she is supposedly on their side now and any information about
the enemy is useful.  (The Cylons don't seem to consider the whole
download
thing a secret anyway.)

| Though we did learn one thing I did not expect.  They know even less
| than we thought, they don't know how real their memories are

How could they know?  That is, how could they distinguish between being
programmed to believe that their memories are real and those memories
actually being real?  I was pleased that the Chief raised the question
since that at least suggests that they haven't been programmed not to
question their memories.

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]