Re: Lost--Benjamin Linus: Action hero! ("The Shape Of Things To Come"

On Apr 28, 5:15 pm, Gumby <gu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > Gumby wrote:
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> >>Dimensional Traveler wrote:
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> >>>Gumby wrote:
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> >>>>Ken from Chicago wrote:
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> >>>>>"Gumby" <gu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>Chris Schumacher wrote:
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> >>>>>>>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>P.S. "Oh, so you DO speak English."<Thud> Second best line of
> >>>>>>>>the night.
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> >>>>>>>The thing about that scene is that it makes us almost
> >>>>>>>sympathesize with Ben, then we remember this is the same prick
> >>>>>>>that helped ice the entire Dharma Initiative, and pulled the pin
> >>>>>>>on the nerve gas grenade that killed his father.
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> >>>>>>I'm beginning to think maybe Dharma was an Evil Group and we're
> >>>>>>going to find out Ben is the Good Guy after all.
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> >>>>>Relive the thrill:
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> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_YFevALgug
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> >>>>How does that address my assertion?
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> >>>It doesn't.  Its just Ken's YouTube addiction popping up in polite
> >>>company again.
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> >>>As for your thought about who's Good and who's Evil, I don't think
> >>>the behaviour of anyone besides some of the 815 survivors qualifies
> >>>them as "Good Guys".  And even for them its more like innocents
> >>>caught in the crossfire of the Eastern Front of WWII.
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> >>Okay, *relative* good guys. No one is pure good.
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> > Ben is not even relatively good.
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> Not yet, maybe ;-)
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> > If he really did have the Island's
> > interests at heart he wouldn't have shot Locke just because Locke
could hear
> > the Island better than Ben could.  He's in it purely to be the biggest
fish
> > in the pond and he'll do _anything_ to be that.
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> > Widmore or whatever group he's part of is not relatively good.
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> That's right. I see Widmore as the Big Evil Dude.  Ben is clearly in
> opposition to Widmore.
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> >  Even
> > discounting all of Ben's obviously self-serving lies they've proven
> > themselves to be decidedly less than moral.
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> That's where the term, "relative" comes in.
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> > The Dharma Initiative is at best so moronicly stupid as to make one
wonder
> > if they even have working autonomic brainstems or utterly indifferent
to how
> > many die from the side effects of whatever goal they are pursuing.
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> > None of them are what I'd call even relative good guys.
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> Which is why Ben turned on them, and that's what posibly makes him the
> Big Good Dude. Or the Big Relatively Good Dude with Big Picture in Mind.
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> > The best you've got
> > here is Jack, who's goal all along as been simply to keep alive and
get off
> > the Island as many of the 815 survivors as possible.
>
> Nope. Jack pulled the trigger of the gun aimed at Locke's head.

That was certainly a reason to question Jack's sanity or even
goodness, but clearly on a relative scale, Ben is much more evil than
Jack.