Re: Sci-Fi gets "Ghost Whisperer," "Star Trek: TNG," "Charmed," "Highlander,"

Anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article <yeGdnZPeW7b9WILVnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>  Michael Bowker <mikeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>> In article <oYGdnStU9-tb9oLVnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>  jewahe <j.hanvey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PV wrote:
>>>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>>>>>> The Next Generation, being the best of the Star Trek series, is
most 
>>>>>> certainly not 'crap'.
>>>>> Except that TNG isn't even the second best Star Trek series (if you 
>>>>> include
>>>>> TOS), and most of it *is* crap that doesn't survive rewatching. *
>>>> Except that it isn't. It is the best of the ST series.
>>> Third best.  Fourth, if you count TAS.
>>>> TOS was too much a product of its times. Some of the episodes have 
>>>> withstood time, but it's overall look and language dates it too much.

>>>> What's more, the series often became tiresome with its 
>>>> monster-of-the-week repetitions.
>>> We'll have to agree to disagree.
>>>> DS9 was incredibly inconsistent with plot and character, and too
often 
>>>> descended into soap-opera plotting.
>>> It's last season was awful, and it's finale a crime against humanity, 
>>> but overall it was much better than any Trek since real Trek.
>>>> VOY, of course, might as well have been a stand-along series, without

>>>> any regards to the established universe. When the plots weren't just 
>>>> plain inane, they were too much of a soap-opera. And the characters
were 
>>>> very inconsistent, annoying, or useless.
>>> Yes
>>>> ENT, like VOY, discarded the established universe and just couldn't 
>>>> figure out what it wanted to be about.
>>> It wanted to be about crap, and succeded spectacularly.
>>>> TNG, at least, attempted to be consistent (both in its own universe
and 
>>>> the greater ST universe), broke new ground in many of the plots and 
>>>> devices, and distinguished itself effectively from the past
incarnations.
>>> I disagree.  Almost every time they started something interesting, a
bad 
>>> case of 'our writers are idiots' destroyed it.
>>>> While I'd agree that Seasons 1 - 2 were weak (suffering from
turnover, a 
>>>> writers' strike, and the normal growing pains) even many of those 
>>>> episodes resonate with events that are going on in today's world. By 
>>>> Season 3, the show had found its voice and direction, and started 
>>>> consistently producing extremely good and entertaining television.
>>> Granted one is weak.  Two is better by virtue of less Crusher.  But
it's 
>>> last two seasons produced some of the worst shows ever put on 
>>> television.  
>>>
>>> I doubt there are more than 3 or 4 watchable TNG eps in any given
season.
>>>
>>> Whenever it comes on and I catch it by accident, I watch for 3 or 4 
>>> minutes until I say "oh, this is a bad one" and turn it off.
>>>
>>> I doubt there are more than half a dozen TNG eps I wouldn't classify 
>>> that way.  The last one I watched again was RELICS, and it succumbed
to 
>>> 'our writers are idiots'
>>>> One of my biggest complaints about DS9 and VOY, in fact, is that they

>>>> ran many of the themes introduced (and often done extremely well) in
TNG 
>>>> into the ground, and never distinguished themselves sufficiently from

>>>> the series. These themes mostly revolve around the exploration of 
>>>> individual "species-ness": Data's quest for humanity, Worf's quest
for 
>>>> Klingon-ness, etc...these stories repeat ad infinitum in the arcs 
>>>> followed by Ba****r, Dax, Torres, Seven, Tuvok, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest weakness of TNG is that it did tend towards preachiness 
>>>> (especially in S5, when the actors were allowed to introduce their
pet 
>>>> causes into the show), the insistence of keeping Troi (and her
mother) 
>>>> as an active cast member, and the reliance on too much techno-babble.
>>> Agreed.  So it's last 3 seasons were bad.  So:  Bad: 1,2,5,6,7.  Good:

>>> 3,4.
>>>> As far as re-watchability goes, I can sit through a lot more TNG 
>>>> episodes than I can DS9 or VOY episodes - and I often don't have the 
>>>> desire to watch episodes of the later series at all.
>>> Agree, Voyager and Enterprise have no repeat value except to laugh or 
>>> howl.
>>>
>> I raise it to ten or so, but agree with the other points.
> 
> 10 *per season*?  That's like 50%.  I think that's way high, given that 
> there are entire seasons approaching zero.
> 

No ten total, perhaps I misunderstood?