Re: Sci-Fi gets "Ghost Whisperer," "Star Trek: TNG," "Charmed," "Highlander," "Mork & Mindy"

In article <7YGdnUa8Edn8RoLVnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Michael Bowker <mikeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <yeGdnZPeW7b9WILVnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >  Michael Bowker <mikeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > 
> >> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>> In article <oYGdnStU9-tb9oLVnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >>>  jewahe <j.hanvey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> PV wrote:
> >>>>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> >>>>>> The Next Generation, being the best of the Star Trek series, is
most 
> >>>>>> certainly not 'crap'.
> >>>>> Except that TNG isn't even the second best Star Trek series (if
you 
> >>>>> include
> >>>>> TOS), and most of it *is* crap that doesn't survive rewatching. *
> >>>> Except that it isn't. It is the best of the ST series.
> >>> Third best.  Fourth, if you count TAS.
> >>>> TOS was too much a product of its times. Some of the episodes have 
> >>>> withstood time, but it's overall look and language dates it too
much. 
> >>>> What's more, the series often became tiresome with its 
> >>>> monster-of-the-week repetitions.
> >>> We'll have to agree to disagree.
> >>>> DS9 was incredibly inconsistent with plot and character, and too
often 
> >>>> descended into soap-opera plotting.
> >>> It's last season was awful, and it's finale a crime against
humanity, 
> >>> but overall it was much better than any Trek since real Trek.
> >>>> VOY, of course, might as well have been a stand-along series,
without 
> >>>> any regards to the established universe. When the plots weren't
just 
> >>>> plain inane, they were too much of a soap-opera. And the characters
were 
> >>>> very inconsistent, annoying, or useless.
> >>> Yes
> >>>> ENT, like VOY, discarded the established universe and just couldn't

> >>>> figure out what it wanted to be about.
> >>> It wanted to be about crap, and succeded spectacularly.
> >>>> TNG, at least, attempted to be consistent (both in its own universe
and 
> >>>> the greater ST universe), broke new ground in many of the plots and

> >>>> devices, and distinguished itself effectively from the past
incarnations.
> >>> I disagree.  Almost every time they started something interesting, a
bad 
> >>> case of 'our writers are idiots' destroyed it.
> >>>> While I'd agree that Seasons 1 - 2 were weak (suffering from
turnover, a 
> >>>> writers' strike, and the normal growing pains) even many of those 
> >>>> episodes resonate with events that are going on in today's world.
By 
> >>>> Season 3, the show had found its voice and direction, and started 
> >>>> consistently producing extremely good and entertaining television.
> >>> Granted one is weak.  Two is better by virtue of less Crusher.  But
it's 
> >>> last two seasons produced some of the worst shows ever put on 
> >>> television.  
> >>>
> >>> I doubt there are more than 3 or 4 watchable TNG eps in any given
season.
> >>>
> >>> Whenever it comes on and I catch it by accident, I watch for 3 or 4 
> >>> minutes until I say "oh, this is a bad one" and turn it off.
> >>>
> >>> I doubt there are more than half a dozen TNG eps I wouldn't classify

> >>> that way.  The last one I watched again was RELICS, and it suc***bed
to 
> >>> 'our writers are idiots'
> >>>> One of my biggest complaints about DS9 and VOY, in fact, is that
they 
> >>>> ran many of the themes introduced (and often done extremely well)
in TNG 
> >>>> into the ground, and never distinguished themselves sufficiently
from 
> >>>> the series. These themes mostly revolve around the exploration of 
> >>>> individual "species-ness": Data's quest for humanity, Worf's quest
for 
> >>>> Klingon-ness, etc...these stories repeat ad infinitum in the arcs 
> >>>> followed by Ba****r, Dax, Torres, Seven, Tuvok, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> The biggest weakness of TNG is that it did tend towards preachiness

> >>>> (especially in S5, when the actors were allowed to introduce their
pet 
> >>>> causes into the show), the insistence of keeping Troi (and her
mother) 
> >>>> as an active cast member, and the reliance on too much
techno-babble.
> >>> Agreed.  So it's last 3 seasons were bad.  So:  Bad: 1,2,5,6,7. 
Good: 
> >>> 3,4.
> >>>> As far as re-watchability goes, I can sit through a lot more TNG 
> >>>> episodes than I can DS9 or VOY episodes - and I often don't have
the 
> >>>> desire to watch episodes of the later series at all.
> >>> Agree, Voyager and Enterprise have no repeat value except to laugh
or 
> >>> howl.
> >>>
> >> I raise it to ten or so, but agree with the other points.
> > 
> > 10 *per season*?  That's like 50%.  I think that's way high, given
that 
> > there are entire seasons approaching zero.
> > 
> 
> No ten total, perhaps I misunderstood?

yeah, I said:

> >>> I doubt there are more than 3 or 4 watchable TNG eps in any given
season.

I'm giving 'em twice as many as you.  :D

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