On May 7, 6:54=A0pm, Galad Damodred <crapats...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 7, 7:16 pm, vecki <vecst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Moiraine surprised Aginor and held him for a while, The Green Man
> > turned Balthamel into the aforementioned mushroom. =A0Ishy didn't show
> > up in this scene until later.
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> > Rand had already started channelling (Bela refresher, hitting a
> > Trolloc on Domon's boat, Four Kings) so his strength likely had
> > already started climbing, and lets not forget he's the most powerful
> > channeller EVER so he could very well already be stronger than A / B
> > (he never faced both at once, only a slightly (!) burned and otherwise
> > wounded Aginor (perhaps a little difficult to concentrate?) and a not-
> > quite-in-this-world Ishy - hence the not being killed Ishy).
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> > That and they'd been so bloody cocky that they didn't just come out
> > firing the way they should have if they really wanted to wipe out Rand
> > & co at tEotW. =A0Too busy gloating to notice Moiraine embrace saidar
> > (much harder to ****eld someone once they've already started
> > channelling).
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> Is Rand really the most powerful channeler ever? According
tohttp://encycl=
opaedia-wot.org:8008/characters/hist/ltt.html
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> TEotW,Ch50 - Aginor was close behind Ishamael and Lews Therin in
> strength.
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> This indicates that Rand and Ishamael would be about the same and
> Aginor close behind:
That would mean that LTT was the most powerful channeler EVER. Hmm,
Rand is a rebirth of LTT. Gee, I wonder if that means that Rand is
therefore the most powerful channeler EVER.
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> When Rand wakes, Da****va holds nearly as much of the One Power as Rand
> can. Da****va accompanies Rand on his strike at Illian. When Rand
> announces that Sammael is dead Da****va sighs loudly with relief.
> (ACoS,Ch41)
NEARLY as much. Is it 99%? 95%? 90%? 75%? It's still less than
Rand.
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> Either of the two at full strength should have been able to take out
> Rand when Rand hardly had any experience. Hence my argument that
> neither were at full strength from the beginning.
Perhaps if they were working together - not a talent the Forsaken are
known for - rather than going "mmmm... Power" and "mwahahahahahaha I
am free"
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> Ok forget about everything I've written. Just think about this
> logically. The Forsaken are the most powerful and feared of all
> channelers out there. At the end of ETOTW Rand took on 3 of them. The
> experience alone of these legends should have been enough to take Rand
> out. Moirraine who is a weakling in the OP compared to the likes of
> Egwene and Nynaeve was able to ****eld Aginor.
Moiraine didn't ****eld him, she Set Him On Fire. And until the
appearance of Nyn, Eg and El she's one of the more powerful AS out
there (Verin in TGH says that Moiraine is one of the few who'd be able
to handle the mega sa'angreal on Tremalking). Granted not much
compared to the Forsaken but she took Aginor by surprise. She didn't
hold him for long, but it was enough to perhaps weaken him a bit.
Balthamel, as previously mentioned several times, fell to the Green
Man pretty quickly.
Rand was able to break
> free of three sisters linked together holding his ****eld.
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> It's simple. If Aginor, Ishy and Balthamel were at full power as they
> came out of the bore, the book would have ended then and there.- Hide
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They weren't all there at once, like I said earlier, and Rand was not
alone. Ishy also wanted to use/turn Rand rather than kill him. It
wasn't until TDR that he decided Rand could not be turned and
therefore he would kill him.
AND, they fell victim to Bad-Guy-Overconfidence-itis, so bloody cocky
that they could take them all out, that they were too busy gloating
instead of simply obliterating the lot of them.
But if that's not enough for you - ta'veren.
~*~
vecki
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