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Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives

by Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 4, 2008 at 04:35 AM

Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (David DeLaney) wrote in
> news:slrnfqcmts.aa5.dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> 
>> ... you ARE in an SF group, Gene; would you rather we gave 
> examples of
>> FTL drives from fantasy?
>>
> 
> I've had people vigorously defend the liklihood of FTL on this 
> group; anyone who thinks it likely should be able to explain 
> what he thinks about the speed limit question and Fermi's 
> paradox.

"Real" arbitrary FTL allows time travel, which has even bigger Fermi 
paradox implications than the usual SF FTL. It raises the question of 
why we aren't being overrun with ****ps from our own future, for example.

You could avoid the time travel with wormholes that naturally 
self-destruct due to feedback when a closed timelike loop forms. But 
then we're using a form of FTL that requires the transmitters and 
receivers to be moved into position at sublight velocities, and that 
exists just fine within the current formulations of the Fermi paradox so 
no modifications are needed.
 




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Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 05:37:06 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-03 10:16:04 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-03 18:07:42 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 18:13:25 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-04 07:05:25 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-04 09:40:59 
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"Martha Adams"   2008-02-03 18:33:56 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 18:48:50 
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Jack Tingle <wjtingle@  2008-02-03 15:20:59 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-03 18:00:03 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can   2008-02-03 18:24:24 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 18:28:59 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-03 14:29:52 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-03 19:18:25 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 19:22:08 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-03 14:37:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 20:22:07 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-03 15:41:48 
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David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-02-03 23:15:58 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-06 17:23:27 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-06 22:24:58 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-06 19:13:51 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-07 01:18:06 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-07 00:33:31 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-07 06:45:48 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-07 07:17:21 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-07 14:26:07 
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cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-07 18:27:29 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-07 19:37:47 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-07 20:31:11 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-08 02:58:46 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-07 22:32:33 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-08 03:41:30 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-08 07:56:30 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-08 13:41:18 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-08 09:43:00 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-08 20:46:29 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-08 18:19:04 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-08 23:41:59 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-08 19:09:02 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-08 19:25:34 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-08 19:57:13 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-09 02:01:41 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-07 20:23:41 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 20:25:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 21:24:59 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-04 06:48:16 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-03 15:40:57 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-03 19:48:49 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 20:26:41 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-03 20:01:40 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-04 00:52:23 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-04 04:35:11 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-04 00:47:24 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 20:27:11 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-03 15:41:29 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-08 10:58:26 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-08 08:04:54 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-08 13:39:07 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-08 18:15:16 
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Allen Thomson <thomson  2008-02-03 11:00:48 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 19:19:33 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-05 03:13:07 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-03 19:25:14 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-03 19:35:34 
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Hallvard B Furuseth <h  2008-02-03 21:37:13 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can   2008-02-03 21:00:58 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can   2008-02-03 21:43:40 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can   2008-02-04 00:23:58 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can   2008-02-04 21:43:39 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can   2008-02-04 23:45:49 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-05 15:33:25 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-05 18:15:50 
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Raghar <RagharA2@[EMAI  2008-02-05 09:50:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-06 02:07:32 
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Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-17 07:24:27 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-17 12:03:18 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-17 14:04:44 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
herwin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-18 10:58:30 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-18 08:27:17 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
herwin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-18 15:39:43 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
herwin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-18 10:58:28 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-17 00:26:48 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-17 00:40:13 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-16 20:28:11 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-18 17:58:02 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-18 19:25:02 
Re: Fermi's Paradox and FTL drives
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-17 00:45:44 

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