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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by Edward McArdle <mcardle@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

In article 
<d039bc79-e45e-4e34-b564-74d55eb5a974@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> On Feb 15, 12:12 pm, Jette <bossl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Wim Lewis wrote:
> >
> > > On-topic, how have SF stories dealt with random murderous
outbusrsts?
> >
> > Judge Dredd - people who suffered from something called "future shock"
> > would break out in spontaneous random violent attacks on those around
> > them.
> >
> > --
> > Jette Goldie
> >
je...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > livejournal.com/
> > ("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)
> 
> I was in Australia recently.  They have poker machines at every bar it
> seems. Pokies they're called affectionately.  They are Skinner
> machines designed to just give enough reward during play to bleed you
> dry.  You win on occasion.  But only so much, and in the end you
> lose.  Its called a reinforcement schedule to maximize revenue..
> 
> I was reflecting on what Skinner said about society being like a big
> Skinner machine you cannot escape. The whole of society becomes a
> large reinforcement schedule that promises rich rewards throughout but
> in reality, takes everything from you that you've got and play ends
> when you are broke.
> 
> The more efficient we become along this path, the bleaker things will
> be - and in the end, large populations of lucky and unlucky folk alike
> will have become desensitized to the messages used to fleece them - by
> and large those messages are the fabric that holds society together.
> At that point all hell will break loose.
> 
> We haven't seen nothing yet.
> 
> There are many new crimes and criminals waiting to happen.
> 
> I wonder what might have happened if the fellow had had the presence
> of mind to plan his escape, and then do it again?   The guy and his
> kid who outfitted his car with a sniper's nest and drove around the
> country killing people stopped the nation.  A handful of people like
> that would be the end of freedom and free movement.  Not only would we
> have guns removed from our possession, but we'd also find moving from
> one sector of a city to another would be like boarding a plane these
> days.
> 
> The standing armeis of police would themselves become a threat.  In
> Rio - there are off-duty police officers that cruise through the
> barrios killing kids that are homeless - sometimes after taunting them
> or robbing them or worse.  Them being police and all not much is
> done.  Their targets are chosen too - they are defenseless and have no
> one looking out for them.  Burdens on society.
> 
> I recall the streets of Beruit after the US embassy bombing during the
> Reagan administration.  People who travelled through the middle east
> wondered if this was a sea change for America?  I looked at the burned
> out skyscrapers and rubble strewn streets of Beruit - and saw that ALL
> cities some day would become equally uninhabitable.
> 
> This was well before 9/11.
> 
> The delicious thrill and joy of walking through the streets of
> Manhattan on a lovely spring day - or a relaxed Sunday brunch at a
> cafe in Paris in the summer - are things that my grand children will
> likely not enjoy - and its too bad.
> 
> Telerobotics may be favored over air-travel at some point - or even
> travel outside one's home - as a security measure.

Fairly basic to this letter is the concept that everyone has a gun.
This does apply in some countries besides America, but not many 
civilised ones.

-- 
my URL,
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mcardle
 




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Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-15 02:20:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Wim Lewis <wiml@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 02:55:50 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-14 19:49:12 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 02:21:37 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-14 23:38:53 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 11:33:39 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-15 11:19:05 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-15 11:16:59 
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Petrea Mitchell <pravn  2008-02-17 18:46:47 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 13:19:56 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-17 21:24:02 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 01:03:01 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-15 05:07:21 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 17:12:15 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-19 08:42:17 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:28:09 
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cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:16:20 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:38:14 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-19 22:52:31 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:42:01 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:31:59 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-20 18:33:10 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 21:48:47 
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Jim Lovejoy <nospam@[E  2008-02-20 23:34:43 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 06:02:42 
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mzenier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 18:56:24 
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jamesd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 18:46:00 
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Mark_Reichert@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-21 12:01:14 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 12:35:04 
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Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-15 13:03:31 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 13:12:43 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 18:11:20 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-15 17:33:16 
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Edward McArdle <mcardl  2008-02-16 11:00:30 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 07:16:04 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:26:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-16 00:14:21 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 21:37:50 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 18:59:43 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:50:33 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-16 03:37:20 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-16 04:52:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-16 18:24:21 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 22:32:22 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-17 18:13:42 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-16 16:37:50 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 14:17:22 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:49:55 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 08:35:43 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:27:26 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:15:09 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-19 20:36:42 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-02-19 09:46:25 
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Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-19 18:35:45 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:49:36 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 13:50:48 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 19:09:20 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-23 20:45:26 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 04:02:10 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-02-24 05:32:26 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 06:13:59 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-24 18:03:43 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-25 06:37:58 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 15:12:01 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-25 03:43:30 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-25 06:40:26 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-26 01:24:14 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 19:51:25 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-28 01:48:08 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-27 21:01:36 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-03-01 21:04:11 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-02 21:04:28 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-03-02 22:45:34 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 15:15:02 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 14:52:11 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 20:09:10 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-24 18:50:44 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 22:40:52 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:23:49 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:38:28 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:44:36 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 23:44:43 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:38:56 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:37:43 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:37:22 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 13:35:53 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:58:30 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 00:05:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-21 20:10:16 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:53:59 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-21 16:57:40 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 00:22:55 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:44:57 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 19:56:40 
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ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:02:55 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 22:24:03 
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ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-22 12:43:53 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 21:28:26 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-22 20:58:54 
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ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:44:08 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 23:20:58 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-20 18:11:10 
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ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-23 06:51:15 
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ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 10:31:06 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:41:34 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-21 12:47:41 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:58:48 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-22 15:26:46 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-26 11:20:52 
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dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-28 07:35:22 
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Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-15 16:13:55 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 21:59:18 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 04:38:34 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-16 09:16:02 
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Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-16 03:32:55 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 10:23:56 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-16 16:12:24 
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Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-16 03:35:34 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-16 13:02:54 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-16 18:29:29 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-02-16 18:53:43 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-16 11:00:33 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-16 16:26:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-16 03:38:49 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 10:21:40 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-16 11:20:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kat R <null.space@[EMA  2008-02-16 14:32:59 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 19:39:36 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 12:45:42 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 00:50:47 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 16:55:45 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-16 17:30:34 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 02:20:08 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-17 08:47:07 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-17 16:57:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-17 10:50:44 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 11:34:27 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-17 19:39:27 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 19:48:27 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-17 12:08:12 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 12:25:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:23:57 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:21:54 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 19:48:40 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 21:54:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:24:58 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-19 01:00:10 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:16:58 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-19 04:03:47 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:28:06 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 01:39:28 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-20 02:49:20 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:03 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 02:49:28 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:25:49 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 21:02:36 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-22 17:19:32 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 01:20:27 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:23:17 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 17:52:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:00:50 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:12:37 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:26:41 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 00:11:46 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:31:03 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 03:06:40 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:21:33 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:27:14 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 19:31:55 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:01:39 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:22:47 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 17:54:24 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:03:21 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:14:27 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:22:27 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-19 15:50:22 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:30:22 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 02:18:37 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-20 02:49:56 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:00:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 21:29:15 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:07:50 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:03:48 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 01:19:00 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-17 15:09:38 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:21:58 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 19:56:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 21:40:05 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 21:51:48 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 22:19:17 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 22:56:09 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:05:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 23:12:09 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:24:23 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 23:50:58 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 00:00:58 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-18 16:43:28 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:14:41 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 03:53:39 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-18 23:18:57 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-18 21:20:34 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 00:12:36 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-18 21:21:18 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:26:30 
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Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-19 05:55:09 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:11:05 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:04:32 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-28 00:14:06 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-27 23:26:54 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-18 16:42:47 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 00:48:13 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:16:42 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:29:01 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 03:41:20 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:21:25 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 03:38:07 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 00:13:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 05:21:01 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:32:17 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 05:43:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:25:14 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 03:25:48 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 09:21:40 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:13:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-19 12:33:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-19 12:35:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-19 15:24:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 14:26:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 20:26:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-19 11:50:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-19 15:25:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 20:23:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:26:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:31:08 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 19:56:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-02-21 19:59:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:29:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 20:07:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 20:11:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-21 12:44:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:46:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:18:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:23:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:34:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:38:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:51:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:59:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 00:26:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-22 09:43:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-22 10:32:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 17:46:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-22 13:29:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 18:08:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-23 10:43:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
douglas winston <dougl  2008-02-23 10:06:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 17:55:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:16:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:05:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-22 08:48:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 17:47:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:17:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:48:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:19:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:24:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:34:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 20:18:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:21:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 12:39:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:22:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:44:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 21:54:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-22 07:36:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 08:15:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 08:19:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-23 04:21:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 00:18:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-21 19:26:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:50:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:20:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"AJ" <tortur  2008-02-26 12:38:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-26 16:40:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-26 09:50:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 09:16:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-26 17:17:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:13:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:37:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:51:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:02:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 18:08:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:45:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-22 05:57:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:16:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-26 17:09:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 21:21:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:38:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 04:40:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:40:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-22 17:19:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 01:37:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-23 02:53:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 03:49:44 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-23 03:59:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-23 03:45:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-23 06:07:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 19:40:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 12:21:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 15:09:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:06:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 09:15:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:18:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 10:32:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 11:06:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 12:18:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:22:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:34:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-28 01:09:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:35:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:10:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:14:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:20:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:39:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:19:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-27 07:05:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 03:01:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 20:48:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-27 09:30:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 10:34:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-27 12:09:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:16:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:24:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-27 07:08:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 03:00:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-27 19:04:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-27 18:11:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-28 11:32:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 22:24:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-28 03:47:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 20:41:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 05:04:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 07:10:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 05:55:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-28 09:21:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-28 19:18:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-02-28 23:27:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 21:06:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-28 18:03:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 21:17:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 19:57:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-29 18:53:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-29 21:14:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 18:04:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 08:58:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-05 08:10:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 15:20:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-05 07:20:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 16:32:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-05 08:36:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-05 20:37:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 18:31:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-06 19:13:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Patrick Baldwin <pax@[  2008-03-07 17:38:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-05 19:49:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-28 13:28:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-29 21:59:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
douglas winston <dougl  2008-02-29 18:55:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 05:52:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-28 09:18:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:29:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-28 17:34:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 19:53:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:33:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:11:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:18:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-26 18:33:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-27 19:47:20