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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by jamesd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Feb 20, 2008 at 06:46 PM

On Feb 21, 4:24 am, David Friedman
<d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> So far as your question is concerned ...  . I don't
> have a source for the HDI for the U.S. over time. But
> real income per capita has been going up, life
> expectancy has been going up. I don't know how they
> are defining the literacy rate, but the UNESCO figure
> for the U.S. in 1995 was 99.5%. Various other sources
> seem to say 99%. So I doubt it's been changing much. I
> expect one could work out the enrollment ratio from
> stat abstract figures, but I haven't done so.

The HDI, like the GISS, is a figure that allows
excessive creativity in its construction.  There are
frequent striking discrepancies between HDI and other
indicators.

In practice, the HDI tends to be a measure of
governmental good intentions, as those intentions are
intepreted by those compiling the GISS - that is to say,
it tends to rely on government inputs, and government
measures of government accomplishments, so wether the
HDI is good depends entirely on the compiler's judgment
of the purpose and intent of those inputs, and the
compiler's judgment of the validity of the the measure
of accomplishment.  If the compiler suspects the
government to be wicked, the compiler will discount
inputs.  If the compiler interprets the government as
untruthful, it will conclude the governments measures of
its accomplishments are lies, or do not quite measure
what they should measure.

In practice, then, the HDI is a measure of how much
those compiling the HDI approve of the governments they
are measuring.
 




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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-15 02:20:10 
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Wim Lewis <wiml@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 02:55:50 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-14 19:49:12 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 02:21:37 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-14 23:38:53 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 11:33:39 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-15 11:19:05 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-15 11:16:59 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 13:19:56 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-15 05:07:21 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 17:12:15 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-19 08:42:17 
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cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:16:20 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:38:14 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-19 22:52:31 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:42:01 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:31:59 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 06:02:42 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 18:11:20 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-15 17:33:16 
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Edward McArdle <mcardl  2008-02-16 11:00:30 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 18:59:43 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:50:33 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-16 03:37:20 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-16 04:52:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-16 18:24:21 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 22:32:22 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:49:55 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 08:35:43 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:27:26 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:15:09 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-02-19 09:46:25 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 13:50:48 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 19:09:20 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-25 03:43:30 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-26 01:24:14 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 19:51:25 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-28 01:48:08 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-27 21:01:36 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-03-01 21:04:11 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-03-02 22:45:34 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 20:09:10 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-24 18:50:44 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:23:49 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:44:36 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 23:44:43 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:38:56 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:37:43 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:58:30 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 00:05:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-21 20:10:16 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:53:59 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-21 16:57:40 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:44:57 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 22:24:03 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 21:28:26 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 23:20:58 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:58:48 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-22 15:26:46 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-26 11:20:52 
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dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-28 07:35:22 
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Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-15 16:13:55 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 21:59:18 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 04:38:34 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-16 16:12:24 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-16 13:02:54 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-16 18:29:29 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-02-16 18:53:43 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-16 11:00:33 
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Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-16 03:38:49 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 10:21:40 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-16 11:20:10 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 19:39:36 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 00:50:47 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-16 17:30:34 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 02:20:08 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-17 08:47:07 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-17 10:50:44 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 11:34:27 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-17 19:39:27 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 19:48:27 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-17 12:08:12 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 12:25:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:23:57 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:21:54 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 19:48:40 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 21:54:26 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:24:58 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-19 01:00:10 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:16:58 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-19 04:03:47 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:28:06 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 01:39:28 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-20 02:49:20 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:03 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 02:49:28 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:25:49 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 21:02:36 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-22 17:19:32 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 01:20:27 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:23:17 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 17:52:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:00:50 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:12:37 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:26:41 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:31:03 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 02:18:37 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-20 02:49:56 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 21:29:15 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 19:56:39 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:38:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:51:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:59:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 00:26:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-22 09:43:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-22 10:32:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 17:46:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-22 13:29:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 18:08:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-23 10:43:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
douglas winston <dougl  2008-02-23 10:06:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 17:55:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:16:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:05:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-22 08:48:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 17:47:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:17:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:48:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:19:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:24:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:34:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 20:18:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:21:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 12:39:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:22:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:44:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 21:54:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-22 07:36:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 08:15:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 08:19:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-23 04:21:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 00:18:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-21 19:26:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:50:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:20:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"AJ" <tortur  2008-02-26 12:38:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-26 16:40:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-26 09:50:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 09:16:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-26 17:17:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:13:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:37:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:51:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:02:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 18:08:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:45:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-22 05:57:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:16:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-26 17:09:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 21:21:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:38:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 04:40:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:40:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-22 17:19:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 01:37:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-23 02:53:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 03:49:44 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-23 03:59:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-23 03:45:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-23 06:07:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 19:40:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 12:21:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 15:09:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:06:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 09:15:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:18:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 10:32:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 11:06:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 12:18:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:22:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:34:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-28 01:09:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:35:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:10:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:14:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:20:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:39:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:19:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-27 07:05:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 03:01:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 20:48:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-27 09:30:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 10:34:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-27 12:09:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:16:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:24:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-27 07:08:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 03:00:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-27 19:04:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-27 18:11:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-28 11:32:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 22:24:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-28 03:47:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 20:41:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 05:04:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 07:10:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 05:55:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-28 09:21:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-28 19:18:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-02-28 23:27:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 21:06:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-28 18:03:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 21:17:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 19:57:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-29 18:53:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-29 21:14:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 18:04:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 08:58:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-05 08:10:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 15:20:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-05 07:20:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 16:32:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-05 08:36:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-05 20:37:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 18:31:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-06 19:13:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Patrick Baldwin <pax@[  2008-03-07 17:38:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-05 19:49:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-28 13:28:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-29 21:59:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
douglas winston <dougl  2008-02-29 18:55:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 05:52:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-28 09:18:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:29:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-28 17:34:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 19:53:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:33:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:11:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:18:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-26 18:33:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-27 19:47:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Moriarty <blues95@[EMA  2008-02-27 14:05:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-27 22:18:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:29:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 20:15:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:19:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-21 20:14:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 01:01:10