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Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of Evacuation

by "David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 9, 2008 at 05:31 PM

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:27:42 +0100, Matthias Warkus
<Warkus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>Matt Browne SFW schrieb:

>> Is it possible to evacuate at least 90% of the 100 million people
>> living there?
>
>Just thinking aloud about some of the logistics:
>
>The highest throughput achieved by any trans****tation system in the 
>world on a single route is about 2.6 million travellers per day, if we 
>want to believe Wikipedia (Mumbai Suburban Railway's Western line). This 
>goes along well with theoretical estimates, as it means approx. one 
>1800-passenger train every minute over 24 hours. An evacuation means 
>that all passengers go in one direction and empty trains go back, so the 
>capacity is halved to 1.3 million per day. With the kind of schedule 
>that is used in wartime, i.e. minimal headways and the same very low top 
>speed for all trains, capacity can probably be raised to 2 million per 
>day. The question is whether broken-down trains can be shunted out 
>quickly and how in the world people are supposed to embark at this kind 
>of rate. Most US railways are single-track, you'd have to use separate 
>lines for trains moving out and empty trains moving in.
>Probably, to evacuate just one million per day, you'd already need a 
>total of four to five lines radiating out from the evacuation area and 
>about 1500 to 3000 trainsets of ten to 15 cars. It should be possible to 
>cobble these together from commuter rail stock and  boxcars.
>
>AFAIK, the best-organised motorway traffic will never reach the 
>capacities of rail trans****t; it's unlikely that the 13-second headway 
>that was achieved on the Voie sacrée can be much improved on. Probably, 
>even on very large motorways, only the two outermost lanes can be used, 
>because the inner lanes will quickly be blocked by broken-down vehicles 
>that cannot be pushed off the road. 

?

Huh?  Why?

>Maybe on US highways with large 
>medians, the two innermost lanes can be used as well. If we assume 
>vehicles loaded with an average of five persons (counting in vans, 
>trucks, requisitioned school buses etc.), on four lanes, with 10-second 
>headways, about 170.000 people can travel on a single highway in one 
>day. There are many more highways than railway lines, but keeping 
>traffic going at Red Ball Express rates in an evacuation scenario with 
>layman drivers will be nightmarish. Maybe 100.000 people per day per 
>route can move out on twenty routes. Maybe.
>
>Aerial trans****t will make a modest contribution at best as even the 
>busiest air****ts have trouble handling 200000 passengers a day. Boats 
>won't be able to contribute much at all, there not being enough 
>passenger vessels to go round, and besides, the next safe destinations 
>are rather far away.
>
>Evacuating 90 million people in four weeks requires moving out three 
>million all day, every day. I think this can be done, but just barely, 
>with millions of personnel, and with lots of luck.
>
>Oh, and of course nobody gets to take along anything but the minimal 
>carry-on luggage. Good luck enforcing that.
-- 
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 Why is it that they never seem to respect ours?"
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Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of Evacu
Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 10:28:42 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 17:37:33 
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David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-03-09 11:54:49 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 18:59:20 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:38:26 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-09 19:02:06 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 19:09:43 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2008-03-11 12:46:28 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 20:19:15 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 14:43:56 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-11 15:01:45 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 22:27:15 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:36:26 
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mvp@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-03-14 23:03:25 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 10:58:59 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 18:11:55 
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"Joetheone" <  2008-03-09 19:16:04 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-09 16:45:10 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 14:44:04 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-10 15:49:42 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:18:15 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 17:04:46 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 17:54:00 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 18:35:51 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:06:48 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-10 19:03:56 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 12:31:19 
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claylonnie@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-09 11:37:27 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 12:26:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-09 19:32:00 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 13:07:20 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:44:45 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-09 20:27:42 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-09 17:31:03 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:49:21 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-09 22:41:23 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-10 21:03:46 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:28:05 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:45:43 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 10:10:37 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 08:55:44 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 19:48:39 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:36:53 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 02:50:30 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-10 03:30:19 
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"Martha Adams"   2008-03-10 17:47:12 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 14:39:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-10 19:54:41 
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Charlton Wilbur <cwilb  2008-03-10 16:22:38 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-10 18:31:12 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-10 20:21:57 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 15:46:50 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:45:13 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 17:12:33 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 18:20:50 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:47:35 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 07:48:08 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:43:45 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 22:46:09 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 20:45:40 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:48:20 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:27:50 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:11:40 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-13 00:24:40 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-13 04:47:32 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-13 16:29:07 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-03-13 10:38:05 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-13 10:58:54 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-10 12:05:00 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-10 05:12:59 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-10 15:07:40 
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson@[E  2008-03-11 01:03:02 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:33:00 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 19:49:55 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-10 07:26:57 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 12:39:25 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 13:14:56 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-10 19:17:45 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 18:34:47 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-03-10 13:06:25 
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"Michael S. Schiffer  2008-03-11 21:25:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:36:49 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 09:57:22 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-13 09:52:20 
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WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-10 14:31:29 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 00:41:15 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-11 03:17:09 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 01:57:15 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-11 20:29:03 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:49:51 
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WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-10 14:47:02 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 20:40:07 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 02:00:17 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 00:45:54 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 04:49:43 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 00:56:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 06:28:11 
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"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-03-11 23:31:26 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 14:03:27 
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scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-10 23:35:02 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-10 18:30:24 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:41:19 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:22:01 
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"John F. Eldredge&qu  2008-03-11 01:52:21 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:38:48 
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scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-11 23:45:25 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:10:16 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:23:48 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 14:21:49 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-11 10:11:24 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 05:09:53 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-12 04:35:40 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 17:15:19 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-12 15:05:04 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 15:19:23 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-12 17:02:25 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-12 04:54:21 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-12 14:09:11 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-12 18:54:53 
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Walter Bushell <proto@  2008-03-13 09:34:26 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 18:09:01 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-13 00:18:34 
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Greg Egan <gregegan@[E  2008-03-13 20:20:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-14 03:26:43 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-14 04:02:30 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-14 07:54:16 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-16 03:58:38 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2008-03-16 11:12:22 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-16 20:52:28 
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mb.gadw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-30 10:37:40 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-03-30 13:27:49 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-30 10:40:37 

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