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Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of Evacuation

by "David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 10, 2008 at 02:44 PM

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:45:10 -0500, "Joel Olson"
<joel_olson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>"Joetheone" <joetheone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "Matt Browne SFW" <matt.h.browne@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> On Mar 9, 6:37 pm, jdnic...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>>> Matt Browne SFW  <matt.h.bro...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is very unlikely that the Earth will be struck by a large enough
>>>> object in the next five billion years.
>>>>
>>>>         In fact, even if we move the goal posts to mere mass 
>>>> extinctions, there's only one mass extinction that is thought to have

>>>> been caused by an impact and lots of large craters that are not
associated 
>>>> with extinctions at all. Your garden variety flood basalt seems to be

>>>> worse for the environment and any cooling event that leads to a
snowball 
>>>> or slushball Earth would also be very bad.
>>>>
>>> I'm actually not talking about mass extinctions here. Our species will
>>> survive. Most species will suvive this. I'm talking about a comet
>>> which is larger than the meteorite that hit Tunguska in 1908, but a
>>> lot smaller than Chicxulub. An impact that is far less dangerous than
>>> the flood basalt events you mentioned. I'm talking about impacts which
>>> are quite possible in a timeframe of several thousand years. How would
>>> we deal with this? How can we prepare for this? Is evacuation an
>>> option? Should FEMA have a plan ready when needed?

>> If you do any map and compass work, you find that 1 degree=100 feet in
a 
>> mile. What's that work out to, say, from the Moon? They couldn't plot
the 
>> impact zone even to "Greater Pittsburg Area" with any real confidence,
at 
>> best, hours before impact. You'd have just as good a chance of
evacuating 
>> people into, rather than out of the impact zone.And ther's still just
as 
>> good a chance of it hitting in the ocean or the desert, or the Canadian

>> tundra.
>> The only thing to do would be to hope it hit someone else.
>> Like the quote in your sig.
>> Disaster movies, whether SciFi, Discovery or History channel are all
bull.
>> There are more variables working on a body falling from space than
there 
>> are on a 30-06 bullet trying to hit a pie plate at 1000 yards. Not many

>> can predict how that will end up, either. And there's generally
somebody 
>> that cares about that outcome.
>
>I disagree. Given a reasonable time interval, the trajectory and mass
>can be observed to almost total accuracy. 

Because, since it is a comet, there will be no randomly situated
outgassings which will not produce random jinks and jukes in the
motion of the incoming comet...

Right.

>Slowing/deflection as it enters
>the atmosphere would also be quickly simulated, a little less accurately.
>The result will be a calculated impact zone that will most likely be a
long
>elipse, smaller if the angle of descent is steep. The approach trajectory
>may make a difference.
>
>Six months sounds like a reasonable lead time for evacuation.
-- 
"What can you do when your dreams come true
 And it's not quite like you planned?
 What have you done to be losing the one
 You held it so tight in your hand?"
   Don Henley & Glenn Frey
 




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Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of Evacu
Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 10:28:42 
Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of E
jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 17:37:33 
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David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-03-09 11:54:49 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 18:59:20 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:38:26 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-09 19:02:06 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 19:09:43 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2008-03-11 12:46:28 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 20:19:15 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 14:43:56 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-11 15:01:45 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 22:27:15 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:36:26 
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mvp@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-03-14 23:03:25 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 10:58:59 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 18:11:55 
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"Joetheone" <  2008-03-09 19:16:04 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-09 16:45:10 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 14:44:04 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-10 15:49:42 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:18:15 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 17:04:46 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 17:54:00 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 18:35:51 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:06:48 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-10 19:03:56 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 12:31:19 
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claylonnie@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-09 11:37:27 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 12:26:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-09 19:32:00 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 13:07:20 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:44:45 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-09 20:27:42 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-09 17:31:03 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:49:21 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-09 22:41:23 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-10 21:03:46 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:28:05 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:45:43 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 10:10:37 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 08:55:44 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 19:48:39 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:36:53 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 02:50:30 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-10 03:30:19 
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"Martha Adams"   2008-03-10 17:47:12 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 14:39:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-10 19:54:41 
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Charlton Wilbur <cwilb  2008-03-10 16:22:38 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-10 18:31:12 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-10 20:21:57 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 15:46:50 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:45:13 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 17:12:33 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 18:20:50 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:47:35 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 07:48:08 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:43:45 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 22:46:09 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 20:45:40 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:48:20 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:27:50 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:11:40 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-13 00:24:40 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-13 04:47:32 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-13 16:29:07 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-03-13 10:38:05 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-13 10:58:54 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-10 12:05:00 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-10 05:12:59 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-10 15:07:40 
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson@[E  2008-03-11 01:03:02 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:33:00 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 19:49:55 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-10 07:26:57 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 12:39:25 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 13:14:56 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-10 19:17:45 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 18:34:47 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-03-10 13:06:25 
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"Michael S. Schiffer  2008-03-11 21:25:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:36:49 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 09:57:22 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-13 09:52:20 
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WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-10 14:31:29 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 00:41:15 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-11 03:17:09 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 01:57:15 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-11 20:29:03 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:49:51 
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WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-10 14:47:02 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 20:40:07 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 02:00:17 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 00:45:54 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 04:49:43 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 00:56:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 06:28:11 
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"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-03-11 23:31:26 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 14:03:27 
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scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-10 23:35:02 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-10 18:30:24 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:41:19 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:22:01 
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"John F. Eldredge&qu  2008-03-11 01:52:21 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:38:48 
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scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-11 23:45:25 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:10:16 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:23:48 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 14:21:49 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-11 10:11:24 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 05:09:53 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-12 04:35:40 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 17:15:19 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-12 15:05:04 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 15:19:23 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-12 17:02:25 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-12 04:54:21 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-12 14:09:11 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-12 18:54:53 
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Walter Bushell <proto@  2008-03-13 09:34:26 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 18:09:01 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-13 00:18:34 
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Greg Egan <gregegan@[E  2008-03-13 20:20:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-14 03:26:43 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-14 04:02:30 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-14 07:54:16 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-16 03:58:38 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2008-03-16 11:12:22 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-16 20:52:28 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-03-30 13:27:49 
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