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Re: Authors Who Should Retire

by Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 11, 2008 at 02:12 AM

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:44:18 -0500, "Ken from Chicago"
<kwicker1b_nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>"Lawrence Watt-Evans" <lwe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>news:r52ct39sse3ccbcoabq3m5i61b8bbpvmlc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:08:39 -0700 (PDT), veritas
>> <veritas.fla@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>The sole reason for the thread:  Established authors in decline are
>>>keeping new authors with better work from being published.
>>
>> No, they aren't.  That's not how the business works.
>
>Okay, really seriously this time, what is the impetus for publishers to
take 
>risks on new unsold talent over reliable, proven best-selling authors?

Oh, you've moved the goalposts.

New, unsold talent doesn't need to compete with reliable, best-selling
authors; new, unsold talent only needs to compete with midlist stuff.
Joe Newbie doesn't need to take a slot from J.K. Rowling, only from,
say, Philip Jose Farmer.  And the impetus for a publisher to take a
risk on a new talent over a Phil Farmer is that the new talent might
turn out to be the next J.K. Rowling, while after fifty years it's a
pretty safe bet that Phil Farmer is only ever going to be Phil Farmer.

There's a suspicion among many writers that it's now easier to sell a
first novel than a second novel, because a first novel MIGHT be a
runaway bestseller, while a second novel -- well, that writer already
has a track record, and the chains are going to base their orders on
what that first novel sold, rather than on reviews or publisher
marketing push or intuition.  I honestly don't know whether the
numbers bear this theory out, but it's not total nonsense.

Publishers want new writers because they have potential and they work
cheap, same as a baseball team may trade an aging star with a
multi-million-dollar contract for a couple of hot prospects fresh out
of high school.  The Baltimore Orioles recently traded Tejada for five
guys no one ever heard of.

Also -- unlike the spaces on a Major League roster, the number of
publi****ng slots available is not a fixed quantity.  If Tor decides
that Joe Newbie has potential, but they already have ten titles
scheduled for next month, there's nothing preventing them from
publi****ng eleven titles, instead.

It's very unusual for an established writer to break out and become a
bestseller -- not unheard of, but rare.  Generally, the best an
established writer can hope for is slow growth and steady backlist
sales.  A new writer, though -- that's where MOST new bestsellers come
from.  _Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone_ was a first novel,
after all.  Stephen King's first novel was _Carrie_, which had a movie
deal before the paperback hit the stands.

And leaving the money side out, editors get a kick out of finding new
talent.  It's a notch in the figurative belt, something to brag about
at the publisher's lunch.  "I'm the guy who discovered [Hot New
Author]!" looks really good on the resume.

Also, from a purely practical standpoint, there aren't enough reliable
old authors still writing to fill every publisher's schedule.  There
are a LOT of books being published these days.  They have to come from
somewhere, and Heinlein, Herbert, and Asimov are dead.







-- 
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
The seventh issue of Helix is now at  http://www.helixsf.com
 




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Authors Who Should Retire
veritas <veritas.fla@[  2008-03-10 21:08:39 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 00:21:54 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2008-03-10 23:44:18 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-10 21:53:55 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2008-03-11 04:28:42 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 02:12:48 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2008-03-11 04:51:16 
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John Pelan <jpelan@[EM  2008-03-11 06:13:05 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 12:12:00 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-11 09:18:37 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 12:43:44 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 18:46:45 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 17:54:48 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 17:40:56 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 22:54:59 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 00:00:42 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 06:33:37 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 07:57:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 16:20:11 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 00:47:02 
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Taki Kogoma <quirk@[EM  2008-03-11 11:25:12 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 16:38:34 
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jgamble@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 18:48:03 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 12:51:48 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-13 15:25:47 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-13 16:43:47 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-15 14:31:12 
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William George Ferguson &  2008-03-11 09:28:03 
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Otherjohn <spam@[EMAIL  2008-03-12 12:39:35 
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"Jason Maxwell"  2008-03-12 21:57:35 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 16:18:54 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-03-11 11:42:12 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 17:58:06 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-10 21:45:23 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2008-03-11 04:56:55 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-11 12:27:48 
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Kevin <ktn3654@[EMAIL   2008-03-12 00:28:53 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-11 21:03:56 
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T Guy <Tim.Bateman@[EM  2008-03-11 05:34:29 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-11 09:08:39 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 14:03:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 18:01:04 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-03-12 17:10:25 
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David Cowie <me@[EMAIL  2008-03-11 14:42:14 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 14:50:35 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-11 09:11:05 
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Just.A.Newbie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-11 07:45:49 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-11 16:46:20 
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Jesper Lauridsen <rors  2008-03-29 19:34:55 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-03-11 07:53:39 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 12:24:48 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 12:47:38 
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Jon Schild <jjs@[EMAIL  2008-03-12 07:53:45 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-03-11 09:39:18 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-11 13:03:54 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-03-11 10:19:17 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 17:32:31 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 17:59:28 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 18:52:54 
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jgamble@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 19:28:41 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-03-11 15:51:20 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 21:02:50 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 21:09:31 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 21:33:38 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 21:56:21 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 22:21:31 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-03-11 18:07:16 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 23:51:28 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:25:44 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 06:17:11 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-12 06:23:30 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 08:45:31 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 08:50:04 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-12 19:43:04 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-12 06:17:49 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 17:45:22 
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Moriarty <blues95@[EMA  2008-03-11 14:55:56 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 00:03:13 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-11 22:29:53 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-12 01:50:17 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-12 12:40:16 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-13 15:08:34 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 07:56:52 
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"Jason Maxwell"  2008-03-12 20:06:23 
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"Jason Maxwell"  2008-03-13 16:49:13 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-14 01:30:53 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-13 14:47:18 
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Konrad Gaertner <kgaer  2008-03-11 17:18:21 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 22:23:21 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 22:45:29 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-11 23:03:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 23:06:47 
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cet1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-03-13 20:32:51 
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"Dennis L. McKiernan  2008-03-13 20:57:46 
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cet1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-03-13 21:49:11 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-13 22:19:33 
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cet1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-03-13 23:53:43 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-03-14 00:24:59 
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cet1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-03-14 21:52:12 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-14 15:06:21 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-14 22:13:56 
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Mark Stephen <mstephen  2008-03-14 10:34:43 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-14 01:35:39 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 06:01:44 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-11 15:52:14 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-12 12:47:34 
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Butch Malahide <fred.g  2008-03-11 15:52:04 
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acwheele@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 19:07:23 
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Jim Lovejoy <nospam@[E  2008-03-11 21:46:44 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 06:03:28 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-03-11 20:08:12 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-03-11 20:17:53 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-03-11 20:19:20 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-12 04:04:47 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 04:34:40 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-11 22:26:34 
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"Paul Ian Harman&quo  2008-03-12 11:50:07 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-12 17:07:54 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 23:13:31 
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Walter Bushell <proto@  2008-03-13 04:04:23 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 07:04:05 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-12 00:38:33 
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David Cowie <me@[EMAIL  2008-03-12 12:54:05 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-12 12:09:09 
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Juho Julkunen <giaotan  2008-03-13 00:49:15 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-13 00:33:59 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-13 15:01:29 
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William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-03-12 09:21:18 
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ncwaite@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-13 01:49:26 
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Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@[  2008-03-13 11:38:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-13 18:50:01 
Re: Most stale argument? (was: Authors Who Should Retire)
Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@[  2008-03-13 12:31:40 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-13 20:16:28 
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ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-13 13:30:03 
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Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@[  2008-03-13 15:46:43 
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Moriarty <blues95@[EMA  2008-03-13 23:28:02 
Re: Authors Who Should Retire
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-03-14 11:46:02 
Re: Authors Who Should Retire
"Jason Maxwell"  2008-03-15 12:12:33 
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Kat R <null.space@[EMA  2008-03-15 14:02:58 
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"Jason Maxwell"  2008-03-15 15:07:27 
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Kat R <null.space@[EMA  2008-03-16 13:16:52 
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khaight@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-14 17:20:19 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-14 18:23:49 
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Taki Kogoma <quirk@[EM  2008-03-15 11:06:14 
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khaight@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-15 13:56:40 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-14 22:37:15 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-15 09:23:36 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-15 14:34:11 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-15 15:21:06 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-15 17:14:31 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-15 10:27:23 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-15 17:37:56 
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Mark Stephen <mstephen  2008-03-15 14:21:50 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-15 11:42:45 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-16 00:19:17 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-16 14:04:12 
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Konrad Gaertner <kgaer  2008-03-16 12:30:27 
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ansok@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-16 22:50:50 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-16 16:32:30 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-16 19:48:07 
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BP <reply@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-19 23:30:37 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-19 21:58:07 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-20 14:14:55 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-20 14:31:49 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-20 08:58:52 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-20 17:32:05 
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jgamble@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-25 15:52:55 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-25 10:39:01 
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ansok@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-20 14:37:14 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-20 14:42:16 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-20 13:47:30 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-21 18:41:57 
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