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Re: Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of Evacuation

by Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 12, 2008 at 09:57 AM

David DeLaney wrote:
> Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> How many of these are sterilization events in the strict sense?  Would
>>> that gamma ray burst kill off creatures at deep-ocean vents or
>>> microbes living in rock?
>> Runaway greenhouse would probably do it, since the entire crust would 
>> wind up hotter than the boiling point. Earth would be Venus Lite.
> 
> Then the thermophilic bacteria get THEIR chance to sweep out from the
ocean
> vents and radiate.

There would be no oceans. Our runaway greenhouse scenario involves them 
boiling, since water va**** is itself a greenhouse gas.

>> Gamma ray bursts are overrated in terms of sterilization power, IMO.
The 
>> gamma rays can't penetrate the atmosphere so they won't cause any
direct 
>> effect, they get absorbed in the upper layers.
> 
> ... Someone isn't thinking about the same gamma rays that physicists
use. The
> atmosphere is by no means a perfect defense (tm White Wolf) against
gamma rays;
> it absorbs some, and some get through, and some cause huge particle
showers
> because they pass near enough to a gas-atom nucleus to interact with it.
> 
> Perhaps you're thinking about ultraviolet rays, absorbed (mostly) by the
ozone
> layer?

No, I was thinking gamma rays. I recalled that they were quite 
efficiently blocked by the atmosphere. Doing some websearching now to 
double-check that, I find that it's a little of column A and a little of 
column B; gamma rays are efficiently blocked by the atmosphere, but only 
about half as efficiently as ultraviolet. 
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/introduction/emsurface.html
has a nice 
graph showing the penetrating power of various wavelengths.

So I guess if you pile enough gamma rays into the planet enough will get 
through to ruin peoples' day. But even if a typical GRB is likely to be 
able to put out enough, I already accounted for that in part of the post 
that you snipped; a gamma ray burst has a very brief duration so only 
one hemisphere of the planet would be directly exposed. So it's still 
not going to sterilize Earth.
 




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Comet impact in the Eastern United States - Feasibility of Evacu
Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 10:28:42 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 17:37:33 
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David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-03-09 11:54:49 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 18:59:20 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:38:26 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-09 19:02:06 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 19:09:43 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2008-03-11 12:46:28 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-11 20:19:15 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 14:43:56 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-11 15:01:45 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 22:27:15 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:36:26 
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mvp@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-03-14 23:03:25 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 10:58:59 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-09 18:11:55 
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"Joetheone" <  2008-03-09 19:16:04 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-09 16:45:10 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 14:44:04 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-10 15:49:42 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:18:15 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 17:04:46 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 17:54:00 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 18:35:51 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:06:48 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-10 19:03:56 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 12:31:19 
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claylonnie@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-09 11:37:27 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 12:26:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-09 19:32:00 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-09 13:07:20 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:44:45 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-09 20:27:42 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-09 17:31:03 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-09 21:49:21 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-09 22:41:23 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-10 21:03:46 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:28:05 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:45:43 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 10:10:37 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 08:55:44 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 19:48:39 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:36:53 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 02:50:30 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-10 03:30:19 
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"Martha Adams"   2008-03-10 17:47:12 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 14:39:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-10 19:54:41 
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Charlton Wilbur <cwilb  2008-03-10 16:22:38 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-10 18:31:12 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-10 20:21:57 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 15:46:50 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:45:13 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-11 17:12:33 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 18:20:50 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:47:35 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 07:48:08 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:43:45 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 22:46:09 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 20:45:40 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:48:20 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:27:50 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:11:40 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-13 00:24:40 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-13 04:47:32 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-13 16:29:07 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-03-13 10:38:05 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-13 10:58:54 
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Don Bruder <dakidd@[EM  2008-03-10 12:05:00 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-10 05:12:59 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-10 15:07:40 
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson@[E  2008-03-11 01:03:02 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:33:00 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 19:49:55 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-10 07:26:57 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 12:39:25 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-10 13:14:56 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-10 19:17:45 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 18:34:47 
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"Richard R. Hershber  2008-03-10 13:06:25 
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"Michael S. Schiffer  2008-03-11 21:25:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-12 02:36:49 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 09:57:22 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-13 09:52:20 
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WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-10 14:31:29 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 00:41:15 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-03-11 03:17:09 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 01:57:15 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-11 20:29:03 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:49:51 
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WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-10 14:47:02 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 20:40:07 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-03-11 02:00:17 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 00:45:54 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 04:49:43 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 00:56:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-12 06:28:11 
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"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-03-11 23:31:26 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-12 14:03:27 
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scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-10 23:35:02 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-10 18:30:24 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-03-11 11:41:19 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:22:01 
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"John F. Eldredge&qu  2008-03-11 01:52:21 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 15:38:48 
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scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-11 23:45:25 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-11 19:10:16 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-11 17:23:48 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-11 18:09:12 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 14:21:49 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 05:09:53 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-12 04:35:40 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-12 17:15:19 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-12 15:05:04 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-03-12 15:19:23 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-12 17:02:25 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-12 04:54:21 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-12 14:09:11 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-03-12 18:54:53 
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Walter Bushell <proto@  2008-03-13 09:34:26 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 18:09:01 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-13 00:18:34 
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Greg Egan <gregegan@[E  2008-03-13 20:20:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-14 03:26:43 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-14 04:02:30 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-14 07:54:16 
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Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-16 03:58:38 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2008-03-16 11:12:22 
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"Joel Olson" &l  2008-03-16 20:52:28 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-03-30 13:27:49 
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