"Gene Ward Smith" <gene@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote in message news:Xns9A6DAA37DA537genewardsmithsbcglob@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in > news:a881acdc-9eee-4fdf-b637-46fe831a8e86 > @[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> "Since the dawn of consciousness, a secret war has been fought between >> the forces of magic and religious fanaticism, and the cause of reason, > > When was the dawn of consciousness? > Old Testament times, according Jaynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind There was something went down 10-12,000 years ago ... http://www.enotes.com/peoples-chronology/year-prehistory But the conventional wisdom says before 30,000 years ago. http://www.luc.edu/faculty/ldossey/sumerians.htm