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Re: He is Risen

by mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Alan Chary) Mar 27, 2008 at 06:47 PM

In article <Xns9A6E702C0D86Bgenewardsmithsbcglob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Gene Ward Smith  <gene@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Michael Alan Chary) wrote in news:fsgmr0$47g$1
>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> In article <Xns9A6E6742DB078genewardsmithsbcglob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> Gene Ward Smith  <gene@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Michael Alan Chary) wrote in news:fsgjgv$nnl$1
>>>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>> Star Wars shattered the paradigm dramatically which allowed Close 
>>>> Encounters to be a different sort of sf film.
>>>
>>>Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
>> 
>> Are you so stupid you can't even read your own posts?
>
>Are you so stupid you can't even read your own posts? 

No.

>You said Star Wars 
>"allowed" CE3k to be a different kind of movie. Are you aware of what
that 
>means? It is a claim Star Wars influenced the making of CE3K, by means of

>its paradigm-shattering precedence.

No, as a matter of fact, it is not. It is a claim that Star Wars altered 
audience perceptions enough to allow a movie which might have been 
expected to be a minor hit amongst a niche audience to become a huge 
blockbuster. Oh, and they shot more footage after Sta Wars came out as 
well. (And still more later for the television airing of "the special 
edition.") 

The discussion I was responding to had to do with audience perceptions, 
recall?

>
>>> Have you not been follwing this thread? The 
>>>films came out the same year.
>> 
>> Yes, but as has been mentioned repeatedly even in your very own posts, 
>* Star Wars was released before Close Encounters and became a huge hit. 
>
>Totally irrelevant to your claim that it "allowed Close Encounters to be
a 
>different sort of sf film." The film was already in the can. Shooting was

>done.
>

A) And I am sure that would have been very impressive to the three people 
who saw it.

B) I was discussing audience reception which has nothing to do with the 
actual photography and more to do with what the audience is prepared to 
see. Star Wars changed the way people were ready to receive sci-fi.
This allowed CE3K to be a hit. 

C) And they filmed more stuff later, so even by your 
interpretation of what I wrote, you're still wrong.

-- 
The All-New, All-Different Howling Curmudgeons!
http://www.whiterose.org/howlingcurmudgeons
 




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doctor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-23 15:02:47 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-23 12:07:29 
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johan.g.larson@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-23 09:35:38 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-23 20:58:54 
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Blue Tyson <aussievamp  2008-03-23 22:57:02 
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doctor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-23 20:38:30 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-24 18:28:54 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-24 21:45:31 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-25 17:43:25 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-25 22:04:34 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-26 07:17:49 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-26 13:45:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-26 18:34:45 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-26 19:16:57 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-26 18:36:21 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-26 16:25:57 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 05:26:24 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 16:54:55 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 16:59:20 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 17:10:03 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 17:51:28 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 18:02:37 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 18:47:40 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 18:51:24 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 19:01:16 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 19:07:56 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 19:13:48 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 19:29:26 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-27 13:04:20 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-27 06:39:33 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 16:35:03 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-27 23:51:32 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 16:12:58 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-27 09:27:38 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-27 16:47:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-26 23:39:52 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-03-26 17:24:35 
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Mad Hamish <newsunspam  2008-04-06 12:06:20 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-27 17:08:56 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-27 17:35:46 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-27 21:04:04 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-27 23:53:24 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-28 16:49:44 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-28 17:56:17 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-03-28 23:08:00 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-04-05 23:38:47 
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tphile <tphile@[EMAIL   2008-03-29 17:41:15 
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