Re: Massive ice shelf collapsing off Antarctica

"William Hyde" <wthyde1953@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mar 27, 2:35 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
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>> Gene Ward Smith <g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <tausti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> So, what you're saying is, it's not as simple and chanting
>> >> "Global Warming!" over and over while dancing naked around a
>> >> golden idol of Al Gore?
>
> The only leading politician who understood the issue as well as Gore
> was Margaret Thatcher - I had a chat with her science adviser once.
> Those are two names you don't often see linked.
>
> But sure, if you can get the extremists to so dance by all means
> do so.  "I can deal with my opponents, it's my 'friends' who give
> me problems."
>
> Mind you, I'm not saying it would be a bad idea to get a group of
> people to chant "natural variability" over and over while dancing in
> polyester suits around a coal idol of Dick Cheney.
>
>> > It seems to me it's more like he's saying don't try to use a
>> > cold Antarctica as an argument against global warming.
>
> That, definitely.
>
>>
>> It seems to me that it might be unwise to use a failing ice shelf
>> as an argument *for* global warming
>
> But this also. Particularly as there is so much better
> evidence.
>
> It reminds me of the question I heard in San Francisco
> during the 98 El Nino "Is this storm due to El Nino"?
>
> Ice shelves have broken away before.  When it is a huge and
> unprecedented event like Larsen B that's one thing, but as far
> as I can tell breaks like this one were not unknown in  the
> past.  If they are occurring more frequently that is again
> something to consider, but this claim was not made in any
> articles I read.
>
> Note "as far as I can tell".  The stories were short on science, and
> it is possible that there is data linking  this collapse to the larger
> picture.
>
> when the area around it appears
>> to be cooling.
>
> The Antarctic peninsula is warming, and warming fairly seriously.
> But yes, Antarctica as a whole is neutral to cooling.
>
> William Hyde
>

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