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Re: The best SF novel of all time

by "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:23:18 -0700 in
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 MajorOz
<MajorOz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> On Apr 1, 8:39 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:16:38 -0700 in
>> vaq4v3pievhent68i8pfv6h24m38p1p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 John Schilling
>>
>>
>>
>> <schil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:55:32 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> > <gm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:15:12 -0400 in
>> >>65717fF2ecii...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "Robibnikoff"
>> >><witchy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >>>news:sjt1c5-lih.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:31 -0700 in
>> >>>> 9f8ou3t9evofmqtu5gbb073nh782p0a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Douglas Berry
>> >>>> <penguin_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On  Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:22:57 -0700 Bob Cain
>> >>>>> <arc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> carved the following into the hard
>> >>>>> stone of alt.atheism
>>
>> >>>>>>Move to California and live any of the many places where the
>> >>>>>>Mexican Indians are taking over.  Won't take you too long to
>> >>>>>>acquire some. Experience based intolerance and tribal dislike,
>> >>>>>>however, is not quite the same as prejudice.
>>
>> >>>>>>Come armed.  They are.
>>
>> >>>>> Grew up in California, pendejo. What "Mexican Inidians"? Most
>> >>>>> Latinos are descended from colonists, just like we are.
>>
>> >>>> I dunno, I'd think the vast majority are mixed but there's pretty
>> >>>> obviously heavy Indian blood in the nations to the South.
>>
>> >>>> Funny, must be guilty consciences that drives some folk to fear
>> >>>> that the Injuns are coming...
>>
>> >>> Hey, I just found out that I'm 1/16 Native American on my bio dad's
>> >>> side.
>>
>> >>> George's first comment was "Can you get a check from the
>> >>> government?" D'oh! :)
>>
>> >>Why do people think there are "checks from the government"?
>>
>> >>Reservations are among the most impoverished places on the planet,
>> >>not just the US but EARTH, yet people think there are "checks". Where
>> >>the hell does that idea come from?
>>
>> > Probably from all the checks the government actually does send out to
>> > Indians, in some cases for no other reason than that they are members
>> > of a particular Indian tribe.  For example, if there are grazing,
>> > timber, or mineral leases on tribal land, those are generally
>> > administered by the Federal Government, and each member of the tribe
>> > gets a monthly check from the Department of the Interior for his or
>> > her share of the revenues.
>>
>> After theft expenses of course. Or maybe you've not heard of the two
>> billion dollar "oopsie"?
>>
>> > If it baffles you that A: some Indians recieve government checks and
>> > B: some Indian reservations are impoverished, you might want to
>> > ponder the actual meaning of "some", and the difference between
>> > "check" and "check for enough money to lift someone out of poverty
>> > forever no matter what".
>>
>> No, it's the quite common misconception that "Indian" equals "check".
>> That simply is not true. Further, the tribes that have trusts are not
>> getting a check "from the government" per se. It's a trust administered
>> by the BIA. There's a difference.
>>
>> > And if you think that any Indian reservation is really among the most
>> > impoverished places on EARTH, I'm guessing you really haven't spent
>> > much time outside the US.
>>
>> Well, maybe it's just the shock of seeing third world conditions smack
>> in the middle of the world's richest nation.
> 
> Maybe it's because they insist on being called a "nation".

Maybe only because they ARE nations.

>  But I did say "among", not
>> "the".
>>
>> Then again, I could say the reverse. I find it exceedingly rare to
>> encounter a non-Indian USer who actually knows anything about
>> reservations ...
> 
> Hi, glad to meetcha.
> 
> And, to answer an earlier question:
> IF: this (the US) nation were conquered and taken completely over, AND
> (important criterion) there was NO chance of rebellion, uprising,
> throwing the bastards out, etc.
> THEN: I would have the choice to sit and whine or join the new reality. 
> My choice would be clear -- the new reality.


Coward.


-- 
Mark K. Bilbo                a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I've gone to a lot of psychics, and they've told 
 me a lot of different things, but not one of them has ever
 told me 'You are an undercover policewoman here to arrest me.'"
 - New York City undercover policewoman




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