Re: An Open Letter To Open-Minded Progressives

On Apr 20, 9:25 am, "-Phil Clemence" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "DanielSan" <danielsan1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Shrikeback wrote:
> >> "Bret Cahill" <BretCah...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> According to Montesquieu despotism is based on fear,
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> >> So that explains why environmentalists are always
> >> hysteria-mongering, eh?
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> > Fine.  If you want to breathe dirty air and drink dirty water, more
> > power to you.  I, however, know that the human race will live on past
> > me, so I don't want to **** it up for them any more than it is right
> > now.  I'd like to actually, y'know, make it better for the future
> > generations?
>
> I get the same feelings about that, but I know that environmentalists do
> hysteria-monger.
> Shrikeback sees the connection. When we fear, we become despots.
> Strangely, liberal emotional states lead to to despotic conclusions for
> action.
> Global warming, hate crimes, mandatory sentencing ....

I am surprised you see these as particularly _liberal_
concerns.

> they are all the result of a fearful state of mind - not promoting
freedom
> but the opposite - tyrannical control of everything at an even more
> fundamental level than any conservative could hope to achieve following
a
> fear-based religious reasoning.

Rightist political discourse hasn't been fear-based in
the last several years?

> Even a religious person has to come to some relation****p with the
unknown,
> or at least knows he should (faith in god) and a certain level of
> acceptance (letting go of control).
> Fine --whatever it took to get human hands from around each other's
> throats - even if it meant believing someone bigger and badder was
> standing right behind you, and maybe he loves the guy you are strangling
> (because he is wrong and you know best).
> A strong modern liberal, thinking they know the unknown (what is not yet
> known, and/or can't be) have a faith that is even more despotic in
nature,
> looking at the outward actions and inward emotional conditions. They
don't
> believe there is anyone smarter watching them. They don't think there is
> anyone with a stronger love for others than themselves standing behind
> them as they act. They think they know it all and , since they  treat
> knowledge as god, they are god.
> Well, good and bad in everything - it gives the power to act but it has
> flaws.
> God is the unknown (future, effects of what we do, ability to see the
> whole picture in every aspect and rate each aspect in im****tantance with
> all other aspects to determine which aspects are actually most im****tan
> and to what degree in relation****p to all the others ... it is a
> never-ending process that can't be taken on by any individual and so we
> work things out by polorizing ideas and then letting them clash. Crude
and
> destructve, but we are getting by so far...