Re: An Open Letter To Open-Minded Progressives

"raven1" <quoththeraven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:03:24 -0500, "skysi" <feur@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>"DanielSan" <danielsan1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Shrikeback wrote:
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>>>>> skysi wrote:
>>>>>> "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> ?????? ???????? wrote:
>>>>>>>> Folks, read works of Ayn Rand and a lot of your confusion in
life,
>>>>>>>> politics and economics will go away. You probably heard of Atlas
>>>>>>>> Shrugged, but that's not enough.
>>>>>>>> She is the founder of philosophy of Objectivism. The fundamentals

>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> her philosophy are set forth in such nonfiction books as:
>>>>>>>> For the New Intelectual, The virtue of Selfishness, Capitalism:
The
>>>>>>>> Unknown Ideal., and Romantic Manifesto. Also read the following:
>>>>>>>> Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, edited by Harry 
>>>>>>>> Bibswanger
>>>>>>>> and leonard Peikoff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This will open your eyes on a lot of things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was so scared of communism that she went to the other 
>>>>>>> extreme
>>>>>>> of fascism/cor****atism.  Rand was a nutcase.
>>>>>> Please, before making an ignorant statements like that studdy the
>>>>>> subject you are talking about.
>>>>>> Besides, do you even know what fascism is?
>>>>> Yes.  Individual rights are subordinate to interests of an 
>>>>> authoritarian
>>>>> state.
>>>>
>>>> Which isn't Rand's ideology at all.  Still, that doesn't change the
>>>> fact that Objectivism is quasi-religous belief system with a weird
>>>> epistemology.
>>>
>>> Actually, you are incorrect.  The ideology of Rand is authoritarian
>>> because individual rights are subservient to the so-called "free 
>>> market".
>>> In a Randian world, individuals are NOT allowed to collectively get
>>> together and create rules for everyone.  Randians espouse "personal
>>> freedom" while denying "personal freedom" for to form labor unions; to
>>> form governments.
>>>
>>> It's pure propaganda and a really bad lie.
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>>As I said, apply your brain instead of emotion when you read her works.
>>Somehow, I don't think you really read anything, because if you read you
>>wouldn't have come up with the rediculous statements above.
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> What do you think John Galt or Howard Roark's opinion towards labor
> unions would have been?

You din't understand my point. When I said "rediculous" I ment your notion

that her philosophy is authoritarian. How you could even derive such a 
conclusion is beyond me :o)
Individual rights are sunservant to nothing. There could not be "rules for

everyone" unless free individuals decide to get together (and they will!)
to 
form those rules. Those rules will reflect necessities that have to exist 
for those individuals (make sense to every individual) to function in a 
society. That kind of society would be free of cohersion, because
everything 
will revolve around reason, not special interests.
In a free market economy there's no need for any unions of the
contem****ary 
type. The workers would be paid well an reasonably. They will not have to 
pay taxes and be able to choose themselves what to do with their money
(like 
voluntarily chipping in to aid victims of natural disasters for example). 
There will not be poor and needy to take care of, because the structure of

real Capitalism promotes self-reliance and responsibility, and is
conducive 
to opening all the passways to discovering his/her talents by an
individual.
A worker's union (similar to ones we have now) would be simply out of
place.
You HAVE TO UNDERSTAND that it's COHERSION of any kind that leads humans
the 
wrong path creating antagonisms/disharmonies with  human nature. And if
you 
look at our society it's everywhere.