Re: An Open Letter To Open-Minded Progressives

"*Anarcissie*" <anarcissie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 20, 9:25 am, "-Phil Clemence" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "DanielSan" <danielsan1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > Shrikeback wrote:
>> >> "Bret Cahill" <BretCah...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> According to Montesquieu despotism is based on fear,
>>
>> >> So that explains why environmentalists are always
>> >> hysteria-mongering, eh?
>>
>> > Fine.  If you want to breathe dirty air and drink dirty water, more
>> > power to you.  I, however, know that the human race will live on past
>> > me, so I don't want to **** it up for them any more than it is right
>> > now.  I'd like to actually, y'know, make it better for the future
>> > generations?
>>
>> I get the same feelings about that, but I know that environmentalists 
>> do
>> hysteria-monger.
>> Shrikeback sees the connection. When we fear, we become despots.
>> Strangely, liberal emotional states lead to to despotic conclusions for
>> action.
>> Global warming, hate crimes, mandatory sentencing ....
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> I am surprised you see these as particularly _liberal_
> concerns.
>
no - the concerns  are universal - as is that liberal emotional state ;)
I am conservative, but driven by liberal emotinal reactions

>> they are all the result of a fearful state of mind - not promoting 
>> freedom
>> but the opposite - tyrannical control of everything at an even more
>> fundamental level than any conservative could hope to achieve following

>> a
>> fear-based religious reasoning.
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> Rightist political discourse hasn't been fear-based in
> the last several years?

Oh, of course it has -- that is sort of a 'given' in my book ... That is 
what conservativism is all about: protection- change is risk ;)
I just wanted to point out that liberlism is driven a lot by fear too

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>> Even a religious person has to come to some relation****p with the 
>> unknown,
>> or at least knows he should (faith in god) and a certain level of
>> acceptance (letting go of control).
>> Fine --whatever it took to get human hands from around each other's
>> throats - even if it meant believing someone bigger and badder was
>> standing right behind you, and maybe he loves the guy you are 
>> strangling
>> (because he is wrong and you know best).
>> A strong modern liberal, thinking they know the unknown (what is not 
>> yet
>> known, and/or can't be) have a faith that is even more despotic in 
>> nature,
>> looking at the outward actions and inward emotional conditions. They 
>> don't
>> believe there is anyone smarter watching them. They don't think there 
>> is
>> anyone with a stronger love for others than themselves standing behind
>> them as they act. They think they know it all and , since they  treat
>> knowledge as god, they are god.
>> Well, good and bad in everything - it gives the power to act but it has
>> flaws.
>> God is the unknown (future, effects of what we do, ability to see the
>> whole picture in every aspect and rate each aspect in im****tantance 
>> with
>> all other aspects to determine which aspects are actually most im****tan
>> and to what degree in relation****p to all the others ... it is a
>> never-ending process that can't be taken on by any individual and so we
>> work things out by polorizing ideas and then letting them clash. Crude 
>> and
>> destructve, but we are getting by so far...
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