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Re: SF Cookbook?

by William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 1, 2008 at 01:10 PM

On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:57:10 GMT, fairwater@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Derek Lyons) wrote:

>DouhetSukd <DouhetSukd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>The Stars Dispose and the Stars Compel, by Michaela Roessner is set in
>>Florence c. 1530, with Tommaso, a young sous-chef who becomes
>>Michaelangelo's lover.  They are pretty nice books, with some magic,
>>plague, and dark plotting going on, though I don't think she finished
>>the series.
>>
>>Anyway, much of the plot context concerns food and she includes a list
>>of 5-6 recipes at the end of the 2nd book.
>>
>>The interesting thing is how different recipes of that time are,
>>because they are missing New World ingredients.
>>
>>Can you think of Italian cooking without tomatoes???
>
>In that era, there really wasn't any such thing as "Italian cooking",
>or "French cooking", etc... etc...  Sure, there were regional
>differences based on climate and ingredient availability (the wine
>belt v. the beer belt, the olive oil belt v. the butter belt v. the
>lard belt).  Sure, based on these there were some regional
>specialties.  But by and large there was much, much, less
>differentiation than today.
>
>The culinary sophistication that gave rise to the differentiation into
>national cuisines doesn't begin to gain traction until the 1600's.

Or to put it another way, national cuisines had to wait until there were
nations (Spain, as a nation, dates from 1492, Germany, as a nation, dates
from 1871 (almost a hundred years younger than the U.S.).  Italy, as a
unified nation, also dates from the Franco-Prussian war in the 1870s.
France, as a discrete nation, is probably the oldest of the European
nations, dating from around 987, when it broke from the Carolingian
empire.
-- 
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.  I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.  Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
 




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SF Cookbook?
donovanmedieval@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-29 12:56:27 
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Robert Massey <broad.w  2008-04-29 16:11:19 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:13:51 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-04-29 16:44:10 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-29 20:07:16 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-29 20:18:40 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:24:22 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-29 20:36:19 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:49:48 
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Konrad Gaertner <kgaer  2008-04-29 15:24:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-04-29 20:32:04 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-04-29 18:32:10 
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tphile <tphile@[EMAIL   2008-04-29 18:06:26 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-04-30 06:37:43 
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David Librik <librik@[  2008-04-30 04:33:12 
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netcat <netcat@[EMAIL   2008-04-30 13:13:13 
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"D.F. Manno" &l  2008-05-01 20:59:23 
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DouhetSukd <DouhetSukd  2008-04-30 22:31:12 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 05:47:53 
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fairwater@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-01 17:57:10 
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William George Ferguson &  2008-05-01 13:10:29 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-05-01 17:38:40 
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William George Ferguson &  2008-05-02 14:12:19 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-05-02 17:35:01 
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"D.F. Manno" &l  2008-05-02 18:05:40 
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Taki Kogoma <quirk@[EM  2008-05-02 19:39:49 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-05 20:40:22 
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Charlton Wilbur <cwilb  2008-05-05 16:44:10 
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Walter Bushell <proto@  2008-05-03 13:27:42 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-05-04 20:50:41 
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DouhetSukd <DouhetSukd  2008-04-30 23:12:15 
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ted@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2008-05-01 06:26:07 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 06:39:04 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-01 14:13:01 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 06:40:14 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-01 09:55:35 
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Maxwell Lol <nospam@[E  2008-05-01 06:48:56 
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"D.F. Manno" &l  2008-05-01 20:54:46 
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donovanmedieval@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-01 18:03:26 
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DouhetSukd <DouhetSukd  2008-05-01 18:48:49 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-05-01 23:55:16 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-01 21:03:49 
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l  2008-05-02 00:36:11 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-02 04:07:51 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-05-01 21:53:55 
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"John" <john  2008-05-02 16:44:06 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 10:39:50 
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Michael Donovan <donov  2008-05-02 09:21:06 
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garabik-news-2005-05@[EMA  2008-05-02 19:22:49 
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Michael Donovan <donov  2008-05-29 10:14:28 
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fairwater@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-30 03:48:14 
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mzenier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-30 19:05:24 

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