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Re: Humans as raccoons?

by "Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 12:06 AM

In article <481befc8$0$79473$d368eab@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 mvp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Mike Van Pelt) wrote:

> In article <Xns9A92868A97D44genewardsmithsbcglob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Gene  <gene@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >mimus <tinmimus99@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in 
> >news:1NSdnV7PFJvj74bVnZ2dnUVZ_sqinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >> There was an early (well, it would have to be) series of
> >> John Campbell stories about the "Aesir" or something like
> >> that that involved at one point a perfected Paradisaical
> >> (blue-eyed and blonde, of course) human race basically
> >> being considered that way by vile alien invaders (I don't
> >> remember if the VAI were black or had hooked noses or
> >> both or not, but it wouldn't surprise me).
> >>
> >> The stories weren't too bad, really, if you ignored the
> >> Nazi stuff.
> >
> >I thought the aliens were more like small kangaroos, and
> >don't recall any blond beast stuff in it.
> 
> "Cloak of Aesir." I don't recall any "Nazi stuff" in it,
> either.
> 

Two unrelated "Don Stuart" stories are being confused.

> The alien Sorn weren't like kangaroos. They had many-jointed
> arms, or tentacles for arms, as I recall. It's been a
> while since I read it... As I recall, the human race had
> degenerated into borderline or completely non-sapient;
> the Sorn more or less rescued us, then found use useful
> servants, and Earth not too bad a place for a colony.
> 

Many centuries before the events of "Out of Night" and the sequel 
"Cloak of Aesir", the Sorn conquered Earth (in the 20th or perhaps 
21st century) in the fine old style (blow up everything, put the 
survivors to work). The story in which the aliens took over a world 
occupied by people who weren't very motivated to better themselves 
was "The Invaders." However, it is the sequel to that, "Rebellion", 
set centuries later, when the fruits of a long term breeding 
program do not turn out as planned (partly because the program was 
subverted).

> Eventually, some humans develop the desire to be free.
> 

This is true for both series.

> And, as this is a Campbell story, develop some brand new
> psionic superduperultrascience.

Again, true for both.

-- 
Robert Woodward <robertaw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
 




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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 11:38:40 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 18:42:08 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 11:56:42 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 18:44:31 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 23:12:25 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 22:34:53 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:46:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 17:32:08 
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"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-05-04 22:54:30 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:46:58 
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"Default User"   2008-05-06 16:00:02 
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"Gary R. Schmidt&quo  2008-05-06 20:17:10 
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"Default User"   2008-05-06 18:13:15 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 00:12:27 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 18:35:11 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 07:45:01 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 08:13:37 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 16:26:29 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 08:18:00 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-07 19:29:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 20:33:29 
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