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Re: Humans as raccoons?

by Rebecca Rice <philospher77@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Mark Stephen wrote:
> Jon Schild wrote:
>>
>> ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>> Has anyone ever written a story about aliens who take over Earth, and
>>> regard humans as "charming wildlife"? I know there are stories where
>>> humans are *pests* living in an alien environment, but what I am
>>> asking about are stories where the top dogs of said environment
>>> actually *like* humans, and take some steps to ensure our survival --
>>> but not to the point of leaving our planet to us. IOW, the way many
>>> suburbanites view raccoons.
>>
>> There is one I read not too long ago, but for some reason can't 
>> remember much about. The humans were kept in pens and used as horses 
>> by the rather small aliens. Not quite charming wildlife, but not 
>> exterminated either.
>>
> 
> Not the same story, but in Jack Vance's _Dragon Masters_, humans and 
> aliens breed their captives selectively to produce weapons, draft 
> animals etc.
> 
> I'm a little surprised this idea never comes up in the interminable 
> evolution threads. I have three dogs, a border collie, an Irish 
> flat-coat retriever and a Great Pyrenees. They differ wildly in size, 
> appearance, temperament and intelligence, and these traits seem to have 
> been established in only a few generations. AFAIK, the only sf novel 
> with a cultural background which would allow this sort of 
> experimentation on humans by humans was _Iron Dream_, but is this sort 
> of selective breeding with humans actually impossible, or merely 
> unethical and kinda disgusting?
> 

I was watching a nature show recently about dogs (forget the 
  actual title, sorry!), and they said that one of the 
reasons that there is such a wide variation in dogs, in a 
relatively short time frame (80% of the recognized breeds 
today didn't exist before 1900) is that dogs have "slippery" 
DNA.  Apparently dogs have a lot of repeating sections of 
DNA, and how many repeats there are has a dramatic impact on 
a dogs appearance.  For example, the different sizes 
(chihuaha, lab, Great Dane) depend on the number of repeats 
of a specific section of DNA. Other animals have repeating 
DNA.   For example, I believe that the severity of one of 
the inherited birth defects... cerebral palsy, maybe... 
depends on the number of repeats of a particular section of 
DNA.  The more repeats, the more severe the symptoms. 
However, they do not have as many of them as dogs do.  So 
the short answer is:  yes, you can selectively breed for 
traits with other animals, but no, you will probably never 
get the variety you do with dogs.

Rebecca
 




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Humans as raccoons?
ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 11:38:40 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 18:42:08 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-02 18:59:42 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-02 19:14:58 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-05-03 14:06:28 
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Rebecca Rice <philosph  2008-05-03 10:23:13 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 18:44:31 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 22:34:53 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-04 19:54:04 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:46:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:48:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 17:32:08 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-05-03 12:41:33 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-03 21:54:40 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-04 04:58:46 
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"Gary R. Schmidt&quo  2008-05-06 20:17:10 
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"Default User"   2008-05-06 18:13:15 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 00:12:27 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 07:45:01 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-07 13:51:21 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 08:13:37 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 20:33:29 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-07 14:57:56 
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"Michael S. Schiffer  2008-05-07 19:34:24 
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