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Re: Humans as raccoons?

by "AJ" <torturedartist@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 11:16 PM

"Rebecca Rice" <philospher77@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:6c1Tj.13006$GE1.11242@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mark Stephen wrote:
>> Jon Schild wrote:
>>>
>>> ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>>> Has anyone ever written a story about aliens who take over Earth, and
>>>> regard humans as "charming wildlife"? I know there are stories where
>>>> humans are *pests* living in an alien environment, but what I am
>>>> asking about are stories where the top dogs of said environment
>>>> actually *like* humans, and take some steps to ensure our survival --
>>>> but not to the point of leaving our planet to us. IOW, the way many
>>>> suburbanites view raccoons.
>>>
>>> There is one I read not too long ago, but for some reason can't
remember 
>>> much about. The humans were kept in pens and used as horses by the 
>>> rather small aliens. Not quite charming wildlife, but not exterminated

>>> either.
>>>
>>
>> Not the same story, but in Jack Vance's _Dragon Masters_, humans and 
>> aliens breed their captives selectively to produce weapons, draft
animals 
>> etc.
>>
>> I'm a little surprised this idea never comes up in the interminable 
>> evolution threads. I have three dogs, a border collie, an Irish
flat-coat 
>> retriever and a Great Pyrenees. They differ wildly in size, appearance,

>> temperament and intelligence, and these traits seem to have been 
>> established in only a few generations. AFAIK, the only sf novel with a 
>> cultural background which would allow this sort of experimentation on 
>> humans by humans was _Iron Dream_, but is this sort of selective
breeding 
>> with humans actually impossible, or merely unethical and kinda 
>> disgusting?
>>
>
> I was watching a nature show recently about dogs (forget the actual
title, 
> sorry!), and they said that one of the reasons that there is such a wide

> variation in dogs, in a relatively short time frame (80% of the
recognized 
> breeds today didn't exist before 1900) is that dogs have "slippery" DNA.

> Apparently dogs have a lot of repeating sections of DNA, and how many 
> repeats there are has a dramatic impact on a dogs appearance.  For 
> example, the different sizes (chihuaha, lab, Great Dane) depend on the 
> number of repeats of a specific section of DNA. Other animals have 
> repeating DNA.   For example, I believe that the severity of one of the 
> inherited birth defects... cerebral palsy, maybe... depends on the
number 
> of repeats of a particular section of DNA.  The more repeats, the more 
> severe the symptoms. However, they do not have as many of them as dogs
do. 
> So the short answer is:  yes, you can selectively breed for traits with 
> other animals, but no, you will probably never get the variety you do
with 
> dogs.
>
> Rebecca

Not never, it would just take a lot more time, and a lot more effort.
 




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Humans as raccoons?
ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 11:38:40 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 18:42:08 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 11:56:42 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-02 18:59:42 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 12:01:48 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-02 19:14:58 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 12:12:13 
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nebusj-@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 15:54:08 
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cet1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-02 20:12:20 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-02 19:46:50 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-03 05:40:52 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-02 16:00:29 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-02 20:14:23 
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mvp@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-05-03 04:53:28 
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"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-05-03 00:06:57 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-02 19:44:30 
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"Paul Howard" &  2008-05-02 20:31:48 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-02 19:52:01 
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Aaron Bergman <abergma  2008-05-02 18:30:00 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-03 00:20:50 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-03 05:43:37 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-02 16:40:40 
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"artyw2@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-02 17:36:32 
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cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-05 19:11:49 
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JXStern <JXSternChange  2008-05-03 04:01:11 
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Butch Malahide <fred.g  2008-05-02 21:57:58 
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"Steven L." <  2008-05-03 01:39:31 
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Jon Schild <jjs@[EMAIL  2008-05-03 07:55:08 
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Mark Stephen <mstephen  2008-05-03 10:36:06 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-05-03 14:59:55 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-05-03 14:06:28 
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Rebecca Rice <philosph  2008-05-03 10:23:13 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-03 23:16:12 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-03 18:03:51 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-03 11:09:03 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-03 14:35:54 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-03 12:04:11 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-03 16:54:09 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-03 15:03:42 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-03 19:13:01 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 18:44:31 
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P. Taine <user@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 18:53:15 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 20:22:22 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-04 17:14:13 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-04 20:42:07 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 22:34:14 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-04 22:49:43 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:44:50 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 15:53:44 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-05 21:59:41 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 22:12:08 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-05 22:58:10 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 23:12:25 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-04 17:11:53 
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"Default User"   2008-05-04 22:34:53 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-04 19:54:04 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:46:20 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-05 03:21:06 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:48:20 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-05-05 09:11:49 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 17:32:08 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-05-05 10:37:02 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 17:53:10 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-05-03 12:41:33 
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Gene <gene@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-03 21:54:40 
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Mark Stephen <mstephen  2008-05-03 18:13:55 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-04 04:58:46 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-04 11:48:18 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-05-04 19:13:58 
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Steve Coltrin <spcoltr  2008-05-06 22:25:57 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-05-03 13:20:44 
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Jaimie Vandenbergh <ja  2008-05-03 21:34:09 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-05-03 15:30:53 
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Jaimie Vandenbergh <ja  2008-05-03 23:39:57 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-05-03 19:05:09 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-05-04 02:33:45 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-03 23:23:50 
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Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-05-04 19:45:21 
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"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-05-04 22:54:30 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 02:35:53 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-04 12:36:08 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-04 13:09:46 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-05-04 12:40:10 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-04 14:26:56 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-04 17:09:30 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-05-05 03:19:32 
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Jaimie Vandenbergh <ja  2008-05-05 11:18:05 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-05 13:05:17 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-05-04 20:42:56 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-05 13:13:03 
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"John" <john  2008-05-07 13:11:33 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-10 15:49:53 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-03 23:11:33 
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Par <usenet@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-05 05:25:14 
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"John" <john  2008-05-07 09:38:58 
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"Default User"   2008-05-03 15:55:47 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-04 04:59:56 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-04 04:56:01 
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"Default User"   2008-05-03 23:01:12 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-03 13:10:13 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-03 21:14:26 
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Jo'Asia <joasia@[EMAIL  2008-05-04 00:18:57 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-05-04 03:40:51 
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Jerry Brown <jerry@[EM  2008-05-04 17:32:44 
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James Rau <jrau@[EMAIL  2008-05-04 09:56:59 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-05-04 19:15:36 
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Butch Malahide <fred.g  2008-05-04 08:58:35 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-05 00:28:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 06:46:58 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-05 07:09:43 
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"Default User"   2008-05-05 15:54:17 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-05 06:29:27 
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"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-05 06:37:07 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 00:35:32 
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"Default User"   2008-05-06 16:00:02 
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"Gary R. Schmidt&quo  2008-05-06 20:17:10 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 16:19:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-06 18:13:15 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-06 22:38:24 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 00:12:27 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-07 01:35:24 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-05-07 06:02:25 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-07 22:40:31 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-06 18:35:11 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 07:45:01 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-07 13:51:21 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 08:13:37 
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nance@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 16:26:29 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 08:18:00 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-05-07 19:29:20 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 20:33:29 
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"W. Citoan" <  2008-05-07 22:56:26 
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"Default User"   2008-05-07 23:37:12 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 09:32:46 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-05-07 14:57:56 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 11:25:56 
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mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-07 14:51:28 
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"Michael S. Schiffer  2008-05-07 19:34:24 
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