Re: Where Do Darwinist Atheists Get Their Moral Values?

On May 5, 7:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
> http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-atheists-make-huge-mist...
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> Wednesday, April 23, 2008
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> New atheists make a huge ethical mistake
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> Assume (per impossibile) that atheistic naturalism is true. Assume,
> furthermore, that one can't infer an 'ought' from an 'is'. (Richard
> Dawkins and many other atheists should grant both of these
> assumptions.) Given our second assumption, there is no description of
> anything in the natural world from which we can infer an 'ought'. And
> given our first assumption, there is nothing that exists over and
> above the natural world; the natural world is all that there is. It
> follows logically that, for any action you care to pick, there's no
> description of anything in the natural world from which we can infer
> that one ought to refrain from performing that action. Add a further
> uncontroversial assumption: an action is permissible if and only if
> it's not the case that one ought to refrain from performing that
> action. (This is just the standard inferential scheme for formal
> deontic logic.) We've conformed to standard principles and inference
> rules of logic and we've started out with assumptions that atheists
> have conceded in print. And yet we reach the absurd conclusion:
> therefore, for any action you care to pick, it's permissible to
> perform that action. If you'd like, you can take this as the meat
> behind the slogan 'if atheism is true, all things are permitted'. For
> example if atheism is true, every action Hitler performed was
> permissible. Many atheists don't like this consequence of their
> worldview. But they cannot escape it and insist that they are being
> logical at the same time.

What fundies like you never seem to understand is that although we
have the highest respect for logic and reason, morality is not SOLELY
based on logic and reason. Yes, they are a big part of it, but there
is something else in there too. Empathy and compassion. Your bible
says that you shouldn't kill because people are created by god and you
shouldn't destroy something that god created. We don't kill because we
understand the pain and suffering that other people go through, and we
don't want to add more pain to the world if we can help it. Doing that
deliberately for any reason, not the least of which is self
gratification, would be horrific to us.

That is something that people like you have never been able to
comprehend. There is not one single mention in the bible about caring
about other people for THEIR sake.