In article <1igqr6f.8edpyf3kpio0N%acwheele@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Andrew Wheeler <acwheele@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
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>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> Alexey Romanov <alexey_r@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >On 1 May 2008 12:33:24 -0400, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >
>> >> Title Author Publication
>> >> Date
>> >
>> >> KITTY TAKES A HOLIDAY Vaughn, Carrie
>> >>
>> >> One of Kitty's friends has to deal with an unwanted life-style
>> >> change while another is forced to deal with the startling revelation
>> >> that killing helpless people is illegal in several jurisdictions in
USA
>> >> [1].
>> >>
>> >> I love the Kitty novels but her friend****p with a couple of the
>> >> sup****ting characters is as odd as Barak Obama having a Grand
>> >> Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan as a close personal friend. I'm all for
>> >> having a wide variety of friends but I draw the line at people whose
>> >> lifestyle seems to depend on shooting people like me.
>> >>
>> >> 1: Unless you're a cop and the person being shot is black, in which
case
>> >> it's still OK.
>> >
>> >They aren't shooting "people like Kitty" (i.e. werewolves, vampires,
etc.)
>> >in general, only the rogue ones. And WVEs kill rogues as well.
>>
>> Yeah, and I'm sure if we asked the KKK would have said they
>> only went after rogue Negroes, Jews and Catholics. There's no reason
>> to think that properly-briefed cops couldn't deal with the various
>> spookies that break the law and less reason for a werewolf to hang
>> out with people who seem to have made hunting werewolves a central
>> part of their lives.
>
>Well, *Kitty* has killed both werewolves and vampires by this point, so
>that point is somewhat weakened. Or is that OK, since it's only "those
>people" killing each other? (To drag in another st*****ype.)
>
>I think that cop (what's her name? ...looks it up... Detective Hardin)
>hit the nail right on the head: vamps and weres are essentially
>organized crime syndicates. They're conspiracies organized to commit
>illegal acts, and the authorities didn't know about them until very
>recently -- so people like Cormac (the friendly psychopath) can be seen
>as either another gang or as keepers of a kind of rough frontier justice
>(depending on how sympathetic one wants to be towards them).
>
>Arguing that "properly trained cops" -- in a world where vamps and weres
>are *known* (incorrectly) to be mythical -- could handle the situation
>is technically true, but besides the point. The prerequisite for
>*getting* cops trained in dealing with vamps and weres is the widespread
>public knowledge that they exist, which hadn't yet been met. So there
>couldn't possibly be such a thing, and there's no moral requirement to
>leave a situation to be handled by something nonexistent.
>
>We don't really know how the Fearless Vampire Hunters operated --
>whether they just picked off any they could find, or if they were hired
>by one faction to attack another, or if they were self-appointed
>comic-book-style do-gooders who only took action when regular people
>were threatened or killed. I doubt they were particularly KKK-ish;
>that's not the way Vaughan seems to be going.
>
>They were, certainly, people who went around commiting murders for their
>own reasons -- but vast numbers of weres and vamps did the same, and all
>the members of both of those societies are complicit in the murders
>committed by their groups. So nobody has much of a claim for moral
>superiority.
>
>The Kitty book have a lot more of the rule of law than most urban
>fantasy books, but I'm with you in wanting to see even more of it.
>
>--
>Andrew Wheeler
>(just finished reading _Holiday_, and thinking about it)
That's kind of frustrating me with the "Negotiator" books. I'm
about 2/3 through the second one now, and the protag has made the
logical leap "Hey, I'm black, where would we be if we had all just
tried to pass for white or avoid other people like the 5 races are
doing" in trying to set into motion the reveal to regular humanity,
but she's still willing to say that the dragon lord's crime syndicate
isn't subject to human justice since's he not human and all. (Also
she just did the big reveal to a close friend and I think the author
way overstacked the deck on his reaction).
Ted
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