Re: David Gerrold - War with the Cthorr

In article <g0svnj$mja$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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William December Starr <wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>In article <g0skaj$sdh$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Michael Alan Chary) said:
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>> William December Starr <wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Michael Alan Chary) said:
>>>
>>>> I'm basing it on the fact that there is a psyche made up of
>>>> experiences.  A copy on me wouldn't have the experience of being
>>>> born from my mother's womb.
>>>
>>> In what way would it not have the exact same psyche and experiences
>>> as you had as of the time of your data having been scanned?
>>
>> Well, in the sense of how other people react to it.
>
>Agreed, but that would be part of the divergence that occurs after
>the point in time I specified.
>
>[ ... ]
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>>> Here you seem to be speaking of divergence between two instances
>>> of the same person, as they ac***ulate different experiences.
>>> That's an obvious phenomenon, but it doesn't seem to speak to the
>>> question of whether they both are equally "really" the initial
>>> instance, plus some aging, or whether only one of them can
>>> legitimately claim that title.
>>
>> Okay, why *would* they be the same?
>
>I'm not sure _when_ in the sequence you're asking about.  Fred's
>mind-state is recorded at time T1.  Fred2 has that data poured into
>him and is awakened at time T2.  Are you asking "What makes Fred2 at
>T2 the same as Fred was at T1?", or "Are they still the same after
>additional experiential time has passed for least one of them?"
>
>Re the first question:
>
>If the recording of the mind-state of Original Fred was perfect, and
>the pouring of that recorded data into Fred2 was equally perfect,
>then either (1) Fred2, when he starts existence, is the same person
>as Original Fred was when the recording was made or (2) there's
>something of O.F. missing from Fred2, because there was more to
>O.F. than just his mind-state.  If (1), they're the same; if (2),
>what is it that's missing?

Aren't you violating Heisenberg?

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