Re: Oldest SF not necessarily most dated?

"Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> > In article <g14h0t$h1i$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> > Tim McDaniel <tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> In article <jk3m24dreg89dpin4ec2pbalqetj0ju5d1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >> John Schilling  <schillin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>> I don't think anyone, from the early '80s on at least, was
> >>> terribly surprised to see the Soviet economy collapse.
> >>
> >> I think your memory has improved itself. Getting shabbier
> >> and less competitive gradually, many thought, but I don't
> >> recall anyone projecting *collapse*.
> >
> > The only example I can think of is some of the historical
> > backstory in the (1955 Hugo winner) "The Darfsteller", by
> > Walter Miller, IIRC. The historical play within the story,
> > "The Anarch", is about the fall of the Soviet Union. (In
> > Miller's history, it was not a mostly-peaceful collapse;
> > The People were exacting gruesome revenge on the commissars.)
>
> The backstory to RAH's "Gulf" includes a Communist state (whether
> worldwide or US-only I'm not sure) which had fallen eighty-five years
> before, with the execution of the last commissar.
>
>

Iirc, doesn't _The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress_ contain a reference to "When
the Commissars were running things on earth"? I think it realated to how
some iof the population of *"Hong Kong Luna" got sent there.

Poul Anderson also used the idea at least twice. "The High Ones" is set on
an interstellar space****p originally sent out by a "United World SSR"
which
has been taken over by dissidents, while "The Pugilist" is set in a world
where the US, presumably along with many other places, is a Soviet
satellite, though China and Japan are still independent (and allied
against
the SU).

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